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Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    The Pro-Palestinian protest movement is gathering momentum ~

    In the news is McGill University, Montreal. Students say they won’t leave until their demands to divest are met. Some of those investments would be arms manufacturing companies selling arms to Israel, and other Israeli companies... If their demands are met - this will hurt Israel.

    There is a heavy police presence on campus.

    Canada’s largest university, the University of Toronto also has an encampment.

    The University of Vancouver, British Columbia, has an encampment.

    The embedded interactive map of university protests around the world - in below link - has been UPDATED to include more universities joining this movement.

    Open link here to view interactive map (updated 3 May 2024):
    https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/P72QC/27/

    Another link to the map here:

    ‘Protests and encampments at college campuses around the world in solidarity with Gaza’

    ‘Hundreds of students and staff at US universities have been arrested while protesting against Israel's war on Gaza. But the protests aren't limited to the US. Since the start of the war, they have spread to campuses in other parts of the world.’
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/27/pro-palestinian-student-protests-spread-in-second-week-of-demonstrations



  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    You have rights all the time. But there are conflicting rights. And who decides when you have conflicting rights? That’s what judges are for.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,350 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It seems some people have more rights than others. It's like the West Bank, with government enforcers turning a blind eye to people they like instigating violence:

    “The videos showed counterprotesters attacking students in the pro-Palestinian encampment for several hours, including beating them with sticks, using chemical sprays and launching fireworks as weapons,” the Times reported. “As of Friday, no arrests had been made in connection with the attack.”

    The paper stated the attacks began at 10:50 p.m. “when a group of counterprotesters started tearing away metal barriers that had been in place to cordon off pro-Palestinian protesters” in an encampment that school officials declared illegal earlier in the day.

    “Security personnel hired by the university are seen in yellow vests standing to the side throughout the incident,” the Times said. “A university spokesperson declined to comment on the security staff’s response.”

    https://www.mediaite.com/news/pro-israel-counterprotestors-instigated-violence-against-pro-palestine-demonstrators-ny-times-finds/



  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    Overheal 👍️

    STARRY: Jessica Seinfeld is married to well-known actor Jerry Seinfeld of popular Seinfeld TV series fame

    Bill Ackman is a billionaire hedge-funder…. Read below: ⬇️

    Daily Beast

    ‘Jessica Seinfeld and Bill Ackman Fund Pro-Israel Counterprotests at Colleges’

    ‘The cookbook author put up cash for a controversial UCLA counterprotest, and the billionaire culture warrior funded a similar effort at GWU.’

    by Kate Briquelet

    Updated May 02, 2024
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/jessica-seinfeld-and-bill-ackman-fund-pro-israel-counterprotests-at-ucla

    “Jessica Seinfeld, cookbook author and wife to comedian Jerry Seinfeld, is funding a pro-Israel counterprotest at UCLA—where violence broke out Tuesday night after a mob attacked demonstrators inside a pro-Palestine encampment.

    “A GoFundMe for the effort, which Seinfeld promoted in an Instagram story this week after contributing at least $5,000, has since made the majority of its donations anonymous. The fundraising page has raised more than $93,000 as of Wednesday and also changed its organizer name and description since launching over the weekend.

    The Daily Beast left messages for reps for the Seinfelds.

    “I just gave to this GoFundMe to support more allies like yesterday’s at UCLA,” Seinfeld wrote this week. “More cities are being planned so please give what you can. Donations are annonymous [sic]. We will continue to share our light and love, as proud American Jews.”

    "It’s unclear whether Seinfeld coordinated with the GoFundMe to make donations anonymous after they’d been public earlier in the week. Nor is it clear whether supporters or organizers of this fundraiser were among the 100 or so counterprotesters, some wearing masks, who ripped down barricades or tossed objects including fireworks into the camp opposing Israel’s war on Gaza.

    Starry: Surely, this is * Paid Protests, * another variety of crisis actors to gain media attention.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,091 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Yet another death in custody -

    "A Palestinian doctor has died in an Israeli prison after more than four months in detention, Palestinian prisoner associations have said.

    Dr Adnan Al-Bursh, 50, was the head of orthopaedics at al-Shifa Hospital.

    The Israeli prison service confirmed that a statement published on 19 April
    about a prisoner who was detained for national security reasons and had
    died in Ofer prison was Dr Al-Bursh.

    No details were given on the cause of death, and the prison service said the incident was being investigated."

    Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry said in a statement that Dr Al-Bursh’s death meant that the total number of medical workers who had been killed by Israel since the 7 October attack now stands at 496.

    It added that 1,500 others had been wounded while 309 had been arrested.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cer3740ddj3o



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    So all Palestinians are guilty and they're getting what they deserve? At least you're being honest I guess.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,723 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    So now you're blaming innocent people for the lives of their innocent children. Pure twisting again from you. There's only one source to blame for the deaths of innocents and that's those who willfully kill them and in this case it's Israel and willful killing is also murder.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,723 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Absolute disgrace. Region's only democracy me arse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,091 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Indeed. If that was democracy then jaysus help us all.

    "Israeli laws, policies and practices against Palestinians in Israel and the occupied territories amount to
    apartheid, Amnesty International says."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-60197918



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,738 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    That might help you absolve Israel of any blame for their actions, but it's not true. The PA recognise the state of Israel. Applying your thinking all Israelis are responsible for the crimes of Nethanyu because they returned him to Government so often. You don't accept that premise of course.

    Post edited by nacho libre on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,304 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Hilarious, the student union shut down access the book of Kell’s losing Trinity money and they fined them the 214,000. It’s easy to be distributive when you’re not footing the bill not so much when they pass the cost onto you.

    The student union president should be expelled too. You’ve no right to block others from the college.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/trinity-college-fines-students-union-214000-over-book-of-kells-protests-6370260-May2024/



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,350 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    what did I just proofread, potato?

    Anyway oh look what’s this


    “We challenge our students to think independently, communicate effectively, act responsibly, and develop continuously, equipping them for lives of active citizenship. This Strategic Plan will shape the future of this university to benefit Irish society and the wider world.”

    If civil protest (especially angainst genocide) isn’t part of that objective then Trinity must have no idea what it’s doing. Expelling the student union leaders for engaging in the same? 😂

    https://www.tcd.ie/strategy/trinity-strategy.pdf



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,304 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    You can protest but you don’t have the right to block others from access to a national treasure, you will be held financially responsible for the consequences of your actions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,065 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    So apparently domestic Israeli TV stations only show the Gaza offensive from the perspective of the IDF. As in purely from a military campaign - destroying Hamas etc. The only other perspective is that of the hostages and their relatives.

    What they don't choose to show are the pictures that we see in our news channels of the abject misery, suffering and outright slaughter of the Palestinian civilians.

    It looks like the Israeli government want to keep it that way by banning Al-Jazeera.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,919 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Disrupting normal people, blocking access, roads, encampment is half way there to terrorism. If you need to protest please do, but don't disrupt, intimidate or in any other way prevent people from doing what they have the right to do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    So most protests actually do that as we saw with the blm, climate change proetestors, hell even the civil rights activists up North back in the day. To say they are even half way to terrorism is an extreme view.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,350 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    People have the right to protest. Calling protest halfway to terrorism is one hell of a bootlicking. Protests are by nature, inherently disruptive.

    The treasure will be fine for a few days, you act like they pissed on it or something.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,304 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    They just lost over 200k of the students money. For a protest where Ireland can do SFA.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,350 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Anyone know how fining a student's union would even work logistically?

    Are a set amount of student fees funnelled into the SU which can now be used to pay the fine?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Universities having snit fits over relations with Israel (that benefit TCD In this case) are useless. What Gazans want is to be rid of Hamas:

    "If the protesters cared about Palestinians, they would have one central demand: Hamas must surrender, because we have all suffered from Hamas and can no longer live under the rule of a terrorist group. Only then can a ceasefire be achieved."

    https://www.newsweek.com/message-gazan-campus-protesters-youre-hurting-palestinian-cause-opinion-1894313



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Do you know what terrorism is? Killing civilians in large numbers. Something that some posters are very slow to condemn here, or not at all. Gaza lives under the fear of two terrorist entities, Israel and Hamas who make their lives miserable and force them to live in poverty and fear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,350 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    According to the article Potato linked, the union is paid by enrollment fees, and the union is a membership therefore of all students. Reportedly the proposed fine is about 1/3rd of the union's annual budget. Essentially the college is just intending to take 1/3rd of the union's budget, because reasons. What it intends to do with the money is anyone's guess, presumably into the same accounting that would normally receive revenue from visits of the Book of Kells, however that works in detail. Expect a legal battle over that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    The author of the piece is a Gazan who has been imprisoned and tortured by Hamas. I think he speaks more accurately than anyone on this thread about what Gazans want - rid of Hamas, and for protestors to cut the cr@p as it's not helping Gazans be rid of Hamas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,947 ✭✭✭circadian


    Halfway to terrorism you say? Blocking access, roads and encampments you say? Like the Israelis blocking aid going into Gaza?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    One person doesnt speak for a whole people. I think it would be beneficial to get rid of Hamas. It is hard to disagree with a protest however against a state that is killing civilians in the tens of thousands, unless you think their lives are worthless.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    It's bad enough that people like you excuse Israel's mass murder of Palestinians but now you're accusing protestors of being terrorists. You and others like you really need to take a long hard look in the mirror.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,723 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    And he sees terrorism every day and doesn't recognise it when it suits him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,723 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Ireland is doing a very fine job of showing and pointing out the crimes being committed every day in Gaza by the Israelis. Our country is pointing out the genocide and war crimes to the world.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,304 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    If they lose and they probably will it means more money lost to legal fees. It was not a smart move blocking the entry now it’s lead to a fine soon to be followed by legal consequences.



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