Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Try putting www in with the link 😏

I even did rounded calculations for you🙄. From the oireachtus liink. 30 thousand adylum seekers, projected to cost 1 Billion in 2024 is 33 thousand each x 60 years is 2 Million

If there is a 50% labour participation rate and those who work are revenue neutral then it's a net negative drain of 1 Million Euro per asylum seeker

Would you expand on your issues with the research?

It's published on the lead authors own website.

It's not published by any academic journal or publisher.

can you not just answer the question? It’s a pretty simple question without trying to muddy the waters and drag the discussion off topic?

Yes. People need to bear in mind it's Joe O Brien in there as well as Roderic o gorman dictating accommodation policy for asylum seekers. On top of that you have the Greens at cabinet just vetoing any stronger policy on asylum, which means FF and FG policy basically has to match the Greens, which is farcical given their tiny vote share now.

Green party are not getting nearly enough flak for the situation we in.

Non-peer reviewed research isn’t inherently valueless, what was your issue with the report itself? Or is it simply that it is non-peer reviewed?

This is the University of Amstersam study isn't it? Is the University of Amsterdam an illegitimate research body?

The Netherlands has a very similar cost of living index to ourselves but if I was a betting man I would wager we could beat them at costs per AS

How is it associated with the University of Amsterdam?

don’t worry as soon as they learn english they will build us 250k houses.

Did anyone read the article in The Times this morning, https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/irelands-far-right-activists-face-arrest-under-anti-terror-laws-nvhwvxq3q

Basically, the Irish Government are planning to use anti-terrorism laws to combat far right activists. In other words, anyone who criticizes the position on immigration can be charged. It doesn't need much to see the proposed hate speech law can also be used in this way. What's next, someone reading the posts here & obtaining e mail addresses.

Scary times.

It's noticeable that FG have gone very quiet on this. And as for O'Gorman - completly MIA.

I believe the are actually in a state of denial against the reality.

A shanty town in Dublin. Unbelievable. We'll have favelas in the mountains with this incompetence.

Why isn't the gov employing any deterrents? BECAUSE ITS A F@CK#iING PLAN!!! Why cant ye bozo's get a grasp on this? I've written about how Coveney said we'll hit over a million more people in Ireland by 2030. The reasons are for all to read on other social media platforms.

Also, the gov are not 'out of touch with the people'. They know EXACTLY how the people feel but ars duty bound to follow WEF guidelines on dituting national sovereignty. I'm sick of reading why this why that. Get ye'r heads out of your arses & get informed.

Just use the block/ignore list is my solution.

There's no point in trying to discuss or debate in the face of tactics that you describe - no minds will be changed or even opened to other points. Whether it's because of misguided idealism or contrarianism I don't know, but there's no point in getting bogged down or deflected by it.

As you rightly say, this has blown up from a matter of concern at the very start (as shown in this and other threads), to the second most important issue in the country according to today's Sunday Independent poll and the results of that are clear with a sizeable percentage even favouring our own Rwanda solution, and SF making gains via their flip-flop on the issue.

But we have stars like Simon Harris (who is the most Taoiseach by Default we've seen since Cowen), Helen McEntee (who is possibly the worst minister for Justice in the history of the State), Micheal Martin (the man who would be Taoiseach, got it, and handed it to Tony Holohan and NPHET), and of course Eamon Ryan (a deluded ideologue more concerned with damaging our energy independence and building empty cycle lanes above all), so we shouldn't be surprised that one of the most collectively weak and ineffective Governments we've ever had has been equally woeful on this key issue.

As I said the other day, we're now into the damage control/limitation phase of all this. Our country has been irrevocably changed in the past 2 years in particular (but this problem goes back a lot longer than that as other posters have demonstrated too), and the core social contract between the State and its citizens has been damaged by the placing of the needs of any randomer with a sad story ahead of the serious domestic issues and needs of our own people that we've been failing to deal with.

It won't be long until full scale Irish Water style protests reappear on our streets. It's already started, despite the attempts of RTE and others to downplay it or demonise the people with nonsense about the "far right". A handful of idiots and agitators doesn't diminish the genuine concerns and opinions of the majority.

I said several years ago that this would become a key election issue yet. It's not at all "aren't I great!", but if I and others could see it coming, why not the army of politicians, civil servants and advisors whose only job is to watch for these things and to prepare responses.

In addition to this there is:

• Wokism (for want of a better word). Mainstream politicians are afraid of being called out for being "far-right" or racist or want to be seen as virtuous by their peers. Fear of being called out by international NGOs.
• Pandering to vested interests who directly and indirectly benefit from large numbers of IPAs.

But for the most part I would agree that it is a misguided belief that the country is benefiting. My belief is that there's an ideology that places GDP growth above all else in the belief that the country as a whole will benefit.

GDP growth is good but must be balanced with other policies. Bringing in large numbers of people to do low-wage jobs does boost GDP but comes at a cost of driving down wages while simultaneously pushing up accommodation costs. There are some who benefit from both of these effects but the country as a whole does not.

there's something like 3000 migrants sleeping rough in Brussels, Netherlands has similar problems. We're just joining the party now lol. numbers are going to totally explode into europe in the coming years as weather gets worse and resources dwindle and the wars that will be caused from all that.

we don't have an army, a navy, border controls, a totally incompetent police force, what could wrong?