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All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship 2024 (Munster And Leinster Championships,Liam McCarthy Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    Henry Shefflin is in his third year as Galway manager. I don't think you could say they've improved much in that time at all.

    From looking at the Galway thread even Galway supporters seem to think that they could do with a managerial change at this stage.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    The reffing in that Waterford game was awful. You have to hit the deck to get a free and there was at least 2 blatant trips missed. Not even a yellow for Bonar Maher and it was a straight red..he was reckless at the very least and made significant head contact.

    I think Cork are sitting at home thinking rightly that they have a fair chance still. Waterford will get no more points. Cork could beat limerick and Tipp. Depends if Limerick prefer Tipp to remain in the Championship or Cork. Clare v Limerick in Thurles in the Munster final? Cork coming in 3rd . Tipp were good today but still porous at the back..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,473 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Cork could beat Limerick?? What do you base that on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,983 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Must be some masterminds in Limerick to tactically lose a game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Limerick dont give one shite which of Tipp or Cork or Waterford get through in 3rd place. They are very unlikely to meet them again although they would be delighted to in the knockout stages.



  • Registered Users Posts: 943 ✭✭✭Vinnie222




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭C__MC


    That Galway team is done, the one from 2015 to roughly 2022, to many miles on the clock and no new players coming through. Bad sign when they need a J johnny Glynn back. There probably back to where they where pre Anthony Cunningham. Horror reign for Henry, with Cody, the last minute goal last year and the not a getting a kick from the team, must be frustrating. I wouldn't be suprised to see them get knocked out from leinster



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,983 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Always wonder why they dont have ref dressing rooms away from the players one

    It would prevent the half time aggression etc, Walsh Parks current ones almost a pitch length away



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭C__MC


    I enjoyed that game tonight, proper needle, tight pitch and a great atmosphere. It all added to the occasion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Bobby_Bolivia


    If the ref cannot do his job then he should expect to be verbally challenged on his decision making. He was an absolute disgrace this evening.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    like most people i am still at a loss as to how he keeps getting away with it , remember john keenan getting stood down because of a shane dowling rant on the sunday game a few years ago , keenan was 49 and was in line for the all ireland final that year , paud o'dwyer was in line the following year as both were 50 afterwards and too old

    why has this ape not being stood down yet , i am not digging up old bones but the black card and penalty he gave ye in 2021 was the warning sign really

    my one take away form that is the lads on gaa goggle box on youtube laughing their arses off at the decision that day 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Bobby_Bolivia


    The players deserve better. The backroom staff deserve better. There's too much goes into intercounty to have one man, through sheer incompetence, be able to influence the outcome of games so much.

    There are jobs on the line here. If Tipperary lost tonight (which would have had a Munster exit virtually guaranteed) Liam Cahill would have not been certain to still be in the job this time next year. He's entitled to ask the referee at half time why he has chosen to stand directly in between the keeper and the taker. And ask why he booked a Waterford player for a 3rd man challenge in the build up to the 2nd goal but then allowed the goal to stand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Iecrawfc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,920 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    In fairness if a ref didn't know to be standing away from the line of the goal in a junior F match you'd expect him to have it taken again and you'd probably lodge a complaint after and not expect to see him again for the rest of the year. At senior intercounty it's shocking, and it was only one of a pile of cock-ups in this match alone. I hate people criticizing refs (you can check the thread on that topic) and I don't give a toss about the teams playing today (I mean...I don't want tipp to win a coin toss but I'm not a Waterford fan), but that was a shambles of a performance. If a player was that incompetent they'd have been in the stands after ten minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,141 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan




  • Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭Montys return


    I mean, it would have been a free alright if ye hadn't already had one as it was clumsy. But it's clear from that slow mo that it was an accidental clash of heads, unless we are suggesting he headbutted him at full speed??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,171 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,141 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    It's reckless, frontal challenge, the kind of challenges that need to be outlawed as they've become far too common. It's a definite yellow for sure but as the ball was gone it's borderline red.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    How does Owens not even give a free for that or the one before it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    For me it is just about not a red, but very close to it, its a poor challenge.

    Accidental shouldn't matter. Like rugby the onus is or should be on the player charging in to avoid the head on head clash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    I would also say that Bonnar was probably lucky too, his challenge was also borderline.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Owens might have had the bright of running across the goals to distract from the fact it wasn’t a penalty. Jokes aside, Nobody is talking abou the fact it wasn’t a penalty. Kehoe being held and dragged down was more of a peno. But he was 60 yards away from that incident … umpires waved what looked like a John McGrath point wide too
    James Owen’s needs a little bit of protection here perhaps. Probably could do with a break from this level for a while.



  • Registered Users Posts: 492 ✭✭Butterbeans


    Penalty should not have been awarded but as it was it should have been retaken, Owen was in the line of sight of the keeper, if a player did it they would have been booked. The tussle with Kehoe at the other end was not a penalty either. Thought the McGrath shot was a point. Both teams got frees from diving and some blatant frees missed. Poor reffing on the day



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭GoldFour4


    What’s far more disgraceful than the penalty is the fact that Owens was right beside this incident and didn’t even award a free out.

    Talk of a clampdown on reckless tackles towards the head and one of the supposed top referees in the country waves play on when this happens in front of him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,171 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ya it was reckless and so was the diving tackle just before it. A strong yellow for the charge and a free for the diving tackle I reckon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭robbiezero




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    You cannot perform a fair shoulder if you're coming from the front. It has to be side on side. You can give a player the benefit of a fair attempt and mistime if they at least come in from the side (unless they use the elbow). The rules state: 1.7 Provided he has at least one foot on the
    ground, a player may make a shoulder to
    shoulder charge on an opponent:-
    (a) who is in possession of the ball, or
    (b) who is playing the ball other than when
    kicking it, or

    (c) when both players are moving in the
    direction of the ball to play it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Very hard to see tipp coming out of munster, 1 point after two games. I just cannot see it, waterford in the driving seat for third.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Bobby_Bolivia


    Far easier to have points on the board when your first two games are at home.

    Two years in a row Tipperary start the season with 2 away games. The only other team to ever start a season with 2 away games was Clare and it happened just the once to them.

    Blatantly unfair scheduling.

    Waterford won't get another point. We'll see if 3 is enough to get them out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭Montys return


    Jesus christ, ye are the most hard done by team that every played the game!!!!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Bobby_Bolivia




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Did Davy know the camera was on him?
    https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeQLacJt/

    Didn’t get much of a reaction from the players



  • Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭Montys return


    Now that Walsh Park is in use, every team has two home and away games so there's nothing unfair about it. You're just looking to play the victim here.

    Ye didn't win either home game last year anyway, even to a team that lost their first 3 games!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Bobby_Bolivia


    It's better to have points on the board than not and it's an advantage to play at home in every sport in the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    a fairly well known one where he nearly broke into tears on the sunday game highlighting two clare infractions and ignoring all the limerick ones , the ref had an excellent game that day and never got a game for the year afterwards as a result

    plenty of stuff went on as it was a munster final not a tickling contest , and he threw the referee under a bus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,171 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I know it's not the popular opinion but I don't think he had a good game at all.

    People praised him for his old school hurling mentality of "letting if flow" but letting it flow often ends up as letting players get away with some very dirty play.

    Dowling shouldn't be allowed commentate Limerick games though as his usually good reading of the game goes out the window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    fair enough , i am still of the old school verity though 😂 , and you are right it was probably the reason behind the stuff in the tunnel at the end of full time



  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭siyo


    After the last few weeks it's clear that the championship is very lopsided. I think from next year 4 teams should qualify from the Munster championship and 2 from Leinster. It's ridiculous that Wexford can lose to Antrim and draw with Dublin and still reach the all Ireland series. Wexford, Galway and Dublin wouldn't get within 5-10 points of any of the Munster championship teams currently.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    I'm not so sure that's the point. I used to think we need an open draw. But Munster have proven that provincials can not only work but can be amazing. There's nothing like local derbies - and familiarity breathes contempt and respect in equal measure. Nothing to stop Leinster bringing everyone up to a standard that can turn the province into a competitive warzone.

    I wouldn't put a negative slant on an Antrim victory, or a Wexford draw, or what you have. We need more of that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Knockdromin


    ”Nearly broke into tears” - two years on and ye’re still hysterical about that. Dowling was his normal self.

    Two fairly clear cut incidents that were missed by Keenan that day were highlighted. For all the whataboutery that came out of Clare since I’m still waiting to see an example of something Keenan missed from a Limerick player that day on the same scale as the two incidents highlighted on TSG that night.

    Clare lawyered up and got the suspensions overturned on technicalities. So ultimately no harm done in the end. Move on lads.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭siyo


    Fair enough I agree with your point on the negative slant on Antrim beating Wexford, I probably came across a bit condescending by what I said and I agree hurling badly needs another team or two like Antrim, Offaly, Carlow etc to become consistently competitive at the top level. I was more getting at that the two groups are incredibly lopsided quality wise and that two very good sides won't make the all Ireland series from Munster while two sides from Leinster will make it and they are not near the level of what is being produced in Munster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    there was plenty of stuff going around afterwards online which highlighted some of the stuff he missed , if that's his normal self i would hate to see the man in a depressed mood 😂 ,

    in reality i feel that in these types of games rivalry games it should be let flow and your going to have incidents off the ball it happens in every game and that game was no different , as i said above i am probably in the old fashioned category in this all the guy had to do was be partial and highlight some of the limerick stuff too but he didnt , the vast majority of pundits in both codes do it anyway if you didn't like the man before and you were a clare supporter you would hate him for that and rightly so

    and john keenan shouldn't have got the punishment he got either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    do you honestly think that is fair on antrim , they beat us only a few years ago up in belfast and the same team has contested 2 munster finals , two all ireland semi finals and won a national league



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,171 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's a Boards tradition. As soon as the weekend is over conversation turns to nonsense talk about the championship structure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭siyo


    They beat ye in the league, championship is a different animal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    i actually held my breath as i waited for the page to load , i taught you were going to bring up dowling again 😂 thank christ for that , i couldnt do with another lingering debate about it……🙈



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    Munster would be a bit of a farce if 4 got through, right now yourselves and Limerick would be a good as through, would definitely take the edge off it. Jeopardy is vital to any vibrant competition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,141 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    So no hurling on the telly this weekend, no hurling on the telly next weekend, bizarre stuff again from RTE.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    This GAAGO is terrible for hurling. God be with the days when Sky were getting it in the neck for showing hurling . They delivered a fantastic product . I think we ll never know the true story of why the GAA sunk that partnership but we can all guess there was a GAAGO plan hatching in the backround . Because the Munster Championship is so big it's being used as a support for GAAGO. Terrible.

    The Leinster and Munster Championship shouldn't even be compared. Totally different standards of competition. We should just cherish Munster and accept Leinster. If Kilkenny were invited into the Munster Championship then it would be the Premier hurling competition..miles bigger than the All Ireland series which even now is borderline a lesser competition than the Munster Championship right now

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭C__MC


    The condensed season is why SKY parted ways



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