Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

They should definitely be criticised for how slowly they have responded to the crisis and for using hotels to accommodate them.

Having said that, some of the protests at least been out of order. That place Crooksling for example is up in the Dublin mountains in the middle of nowhere and with no houses nearby.

The sindo must have worked really hard to find a picture that wasn't a load of African lads for this headline

It does raise the question how a woman was there? I thought it was all men camped outside since city west for reserved for women and kids. I'm actually shocked to see a woman and kids were tented on mouth street. Unless now the sindo need to issue an apology in next weeks paper that the photo used was a lie and out of context of someone who wasn't tented on Mount St

A review from a questionable journal invalidates the report itself? I’m doubtful of that, regardless, the Danish Government commissioned a report with findings that reflect the Dutch report, with that in mind, I’d be interested in the objection to the content of the report itself, or of the Danish report instead.

I'm sure the economics department of the University of Amsterdam will be surprised to learn that they are a couple of Dutch racists.

The Danish model is designed to disincentivise economic migration and the secondary movement of migrants through policies of deterrence including increased thresholds for protection, reduced processing times, reduced protection time-limits, limited access to the labour market, limited access to welfare, increased use of detention, increased deportation, limited family reunification etc. The model is described as the Danish model because Denmark intentionally publicised the policy, deliberately advertising to migrants the limited provisions they would receive as asylum seekers in Denmark, that said, it is essentially used in multiple EU Member States and EEA members, including Sweden and Norway. For example, Sweden increased the threshold for protection by limiting leave to remain - a lesser form of protection - to children or families with children; Norway increased the threshold for protection by legislating for refusal of asylum and deportation based on the principle that there are ‘safe’ regions or provinces in an asylum seeker’s country of origin. Considering the Sunday Independent/ Ireland Thinks poll reported that 40% of those polled would favour replicating the Rwanda Policy, I expect a majority would favour adopting policies of deterrence.

It seems up to October 2023 just under 1,000 people were refused leave to land and removed. So yes, to claim "practically none are deported or returned today" is simply wrong. I also can't actually find evidence to back up the claim that 3,700 peolle were refused leave to land and removed in 2011. In 2012 1,890 were refused entry to the state and removed. In 2010 3031 were refused leave to land, I can't get figures on how many were removed though. So 3,700 in the 2011 seems a huge anomaly.

Ok I get it now, those figures aren't from the daily debate they're from your own calculations.

I do think we spend far too much on IPAs, resorting to using hotels is ridiculous, but par for the course with FFG, who I expect to see back in power after the GE but supported by some anti-immigration independent grouping.

But I would need them?

The Tories will love getting their hands on these images as the week goes on and more people arrive.

Meanwhile our lot will be bumbling around clueless.

Well I've yet to see anyone else review it other than the white supremacist journal founded by a nasty racist who used fake research to Irish people were a less intelligent group.

I should mention that Gript.ie referenced it too (hilarious) as well as some far-right french website.

I haven't seen the actual Dutch government report, feel free to share.

It does not say anyone was actually removed, that dail answer is even weaker than the last

For deportation it specifically says "Numbers deported may relate to deportation orders issued" It does not state anywhere, actually removals from the state.

If I remember correctly Lucky Khambule from MASI had a deportation order issued against him and it was reaffirmed until he was given leave to remain.

Miss McEntee's use of deportation orders is obfuscation at best I suspect however it's outright deceit

In the last week I had the opportunity to meet and interact with a group of single adult males from Gaza who have been accommodated in Ireland ,

i was surprised to see that they were all well fed to hefty in appearance with designer clothes and shoes, each had one or two smart phones and made multiple video calls while i was with them.

makes me wonder who they are really and how they got here. what steps were taken to find out of they took part in the October 7th atrocity or other ones ? what they will do not that they are here.

Also the content is f**king disgusting, have you looked at it?

As you've not (can't) dispute(d) the figures as they are department supplied figures and instead have tried to change the subject I must assess that you have ceeded the fiscal impact point. You should recuse yourself from any other debate on this as it can only be assessed as vexatious

"I also can't actually find evidence to back up the claim that 3,700 peolle were refused leave to land and removed in 2011"

Does a press release from the dept of justice not qualify as evidence? You know the one I've posted multiple times now in this thread?