Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Infuriating when you break it down. Such incredible weakness.

The more people that go on the news and declare themselves from Egypt, Morrocco, Jordan, Nigeria the more the anger of the public will rise.

Roderic, Leo, Helen, et Al have been constantly telling us these are people fleeing war and persecution without a flinch. It's the case with some of them but not all as we are increasingly seeing sadly.

I wouldn't be to hard on these young fellas either - on the other side of it they have likely been sold a dream for their family by some unscrupulous trafficker.

And btw - this is a huge part of this. These traffickers are obviously saying in Ireland you'll get a house and money and everything else. All you have to do is say..... and there's a playbook. It could well be the case that there is facilitators on this side aswell that these lads will be beholden to.

The state should be interrogating some of these fella right away to find out what they've been told Ireland holds for them.

The jist of my message is, we need to get **** tough right away. All we've been doing in pussy footing around the whole thing to date.

Your link . !!

'' If a person indicates or is identified as being in need of international protection they are admitted to the international protection process. However, they will still be recorded as a refusal of leave to land. '' .

I suppose a Prime Time Investigates episode on this issue is out of the question.

@Ten of Swords seems like some posts have mysteriously disappeared. I hope there is not a technical problem?

The University of Amsterdam absolutely attempted to disavow its involvement in the report, that is arguably indicative of the deteriorating social dialogue that led the Dutch Government to terminate economic reports on the relationship between immigration and economy in the first instance. Regardless, the findings of the report are consistent with a report published by the Danish Government and while you have commented on the report quite considerably, those comments have extended to the circumstances around the publication of the report only - have you any comments on the content of the report (appreciating that you obviously neglected to read the first few pages of the report until prompted to…) criticism of the methodology etc.?

I disagree, it is patently obvious that you failed to engage with the report at all before dismissing it. What were your doubtlessly illuminating thoughts on Danish Government report that reflects the findings of the Dutch report?

I'd expect they will charge the terrorist activity, where it meets the legislation.

I'd expect in time they'll have to modernise the legislation more in line with the US definition of domestic terrorism.

the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that— (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended— (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States;

I don't know how you get from that, or our existing legislation to claiming that 'anyone who criticises the position on immigration can be charged'

Care to explain?

Is it a Dutch Government report I shared?

Hmm. I agree. I also wonder how many political parties will keep their election promises about stricter control. I suspect, none of them will.

I’d say I know just about as much as you do.

Regardless of what you provide it will never be enough, if people don't want to face the reality and seriousness of the situation they simply won't and will continue to argue that black is white. Maybe they will come to their senses when the consequences effect them personally like we saw earlier in the week with Hazel Chu and Ivana Bacik suddenly changing their "Refugees welcome" tune when the tents moved to Ballsbridge.

And it will effect them personally eventually, nobody will avoid the consequences. It's an unsustainable cluster **** that us and our children will be paying the cost of for a very long time.

I read this long tweet about our international asylum obligations today. I found it helpful.

I don't agree with him about leaving the EU, but his explanation is honest and detailed.

Now, clearly, and by his own admission, this guy is not in the centre of the political spectrum.

Is everything he states about our intl obligations true?

If so, it seems like it will be difficult for us to control our borders.

At this point there are three different reports - one from Denmark, one from Sweden, one from the Netherlands - demonstrating that the net expense to the exchequer of non-Western immigrants and asylum seekers is between 1% and 1.7% of GDP…