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NBA 23/24:season

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭Corvo


    It will make for an interesting off-season for basketball fans to see how it will be dismantled. Shams already has a piece out about how unhappy Durant is with his role in the team so that may progress into a trade demand, Beal has either been injured or out of sorts and Booker is their only real massive trade piece to bring in a huge haul to reboot.

    Enjoyed watching Kyrie last night, on form he's a pleasure. Luka looks very tired.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,984 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Yeah just spotted that Shams piece, barely an hour after the game ended! Could KD really be considering pushing a move to another "superteam"? Where would he go? Who would take him?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭irishguitarlad


    It was great yes but I felt that Kidd lost the game for the Mavs, when they levelled or even when they went ahead it was time o to move out Kleber for Lively or Gafford. Kleber was on to spread the floor offensively but when they levelled or were up he should have been subbed out. You could see what was coming with Harden as they were spamming the same action all during the 4th. If it was Ty Lue over the Mavs it would be a different story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,087 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    Luka is some man for whining and complaining. Not a good trait



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭Corvo


    I don't think running it back with the Suns will change anything. Beal has the No Trade Clause and the remainder of the team outside Booker just isn't good enough. I mean Nurkic at centre was never going to work against the better teams. If he does push for a move then the real redemption arc is with OKC and leading the young core to a title. Now whether OKC want to gamble upsetting that project by inserting Durant into it, is another story (as good as he is, Shai's usage etc. would plummet).

    The history books will show he his two titles and numerous other accolades but in a sport riddled with narrative, his isn't kind.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,984 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Indiana 3-1 up on Milwaukee, Dame and Giannis both injured at the moment. What an awful season they've had since firing Griffin, and yet because of those recent injuries to key players Doc Rivers may be kept around for next season.

    The Pacers are the only lower seed currently leading their series, they'd go on to play NYC (or Philly however unlikely) and I can't see them getting anything out of either of those series.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I don't know why anybody would be interested in Durant anymore. He seems to decide he's not happy a lot and that's not a good thing in the locker room.

    Youth is taking over the NBA these days. If you look at the best players in the game right now most of them are pretty young. Jokic and Embiid would be the oldest at around 30. SGA, Doncic, Giannis, Tatum and Wembenyama would be next for me. I'd have Edwards, Fox and Brunson after that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    The Pacers were pretty hot at the end of the regular season. I think I heard someone say they went 15-5 over their last twenty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    The reality of the new CBA probably means none of LeBron / Durant / Steph will be able to keep taking the super max values and win a title, as they all need more help than can be afforded around those numbers at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Another great game in Denver. Murray with another sick finish after LeBron did all he could with Davis injured.

    Denver found a way at home in two super close games.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    That’s no LeBron, KD or Steph in the second round for the first time since 2005.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭Corvo


    Fade em, as the cool kids say. Will Boston be the only team to stop Denver?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,087 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    Porzingis had a very good year injury wise. But they did limit him and Horford. He was questionable last night, but played and got injured. Hopefully it's not too bad, and the Celtics wrap it up next game, and the cavs magic goes to 7 games. Give him some time to recover.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I watched it, Lakers put in a great effort. Davis played the full game and looked okay a couple of minutes after he got hurt. It didn't seem to affect his performance at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Well he did nothing offensively after the injury, but maybe that’s just AD disappearing late as he can be prone to doing…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Minny series could be interesting. If this step up from Ant man is real then Minny have to be respected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He didn't do much offensively but he played really well on defense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Overtime in the Garden, fantastic game. Tyrese Maxey just gets better and better, 41 points so far, he's had two other 30+ points games in this series. Brunson having a great game too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Sixers win it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,984 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    No playoff magic from Miami this time, I know it's a 1v8 but I'm sure Boston are hugely relieved to get that over with.

    Clippers drop to 3-2 at home, off to Dallas for Game 6 now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    As noted last week, Miami just had a lucky shooting night



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,087 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    things could have gotten out of hand here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,984 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    I really can't stand Pat Bev, none of this "he plays hard" shít he's just extremely dirty and sly.

    EDIT: That video doesn't even show the worst of it^ He throws the ball twice due to hitting the wrong person with the first throw!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,984 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    His response is embarrassing too

    AND he's refusing to speak to reporters who don't subscribe to his podcast…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,916 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Wow, that clip of him with the reporter was absolute cringe, Jesus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    $82m in career earnings for Beverly. Feels like it’s been a grift, in part at least, for a few years now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    They were never going to challenge without playoff Jimmy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Tne Pacers are a serious outfit, don't underestimate them. Really looking forward to them playing the Knicks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I see the Lakers fired Ham. I think he did as good as he could with the roster he had.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    I’d strongly disagree there. Spent most of the year playing the wrong lineup; and his in game adjustments and decisions during the playoffs left a lot to be desired. Athletic article last week basically said everyone respected him, nice guy, but does little or no actual coaching.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Great game one in Denver - doesn’t look like Nugs will be able to get away with the sloppiness and long stretches of minutes behind that didn’t matter against the Lakers. Minny are just way bigger, longer and deeper defensively and their coaching staff seems to understand what is required a lot more.

    There are a lot of things to talk about, but Minny daring Jokic to shoot 3s effectively was very interesting to watch. Edwards was also phenomenal.

    Minny are how favs for the series.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I'm a subscriber of the Athletic currently until my subscription runs out next year. The analysis etc. is very amateurish so I wouldn't be using that to back up my opinion.

    Our opinion on this matter differs and that's fine. There is no right or wrong on the subject.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Should be a cracking game between the Pacers and Knicks.

    I think the Pacers are for real and fancy them to take a win out of New York.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Try me, I watched nearly all of the Laker’s games this year. Ham is woeful, and he won’t do anything anywhere else [like all LeBron’s coaches who have won precisely zero titles without him (I think Spo is decent, as the exception that proves the rule)].

    I can say Ham’s lineups made no sense, his timeout management was poor and the players are leaking to the media he did zero coaching. What’s the counter argument here for him to he retained?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He didn't have a good roster and got them to the playoffs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    He had a 47 win team with a 47.5 game o/u that finished the season 19 - 6 when he leaned into the starting rotation that had been paid for.

    In two successive series against Denver he was constantly found wanting on coaching adjustments and clock management. But the team were leading for 80% of the minutes in the series. It’s entirely reasonable to lay blame with the coach in this context.

    Having watched Ham for two years I am very confident he will never coach a title winning team. So what is there to talk about? It’s the Lakers, expectations are high.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    So you seen him with a less than stellar roster, he got beat by the defending NBA champions and that's enough for you to decide he's no good.

    That all sounds pretty reasonable.....not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭BQQ


    Lebron and AD are not stars?

    Scraping into the playoffs seems a poor return for two guys that won a ring a few years ago

    Have to agree that some of Ham’s lineups had me scratching my head at times



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    It takes more than two guys to make a championship contender. The lack of depth was a problem.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Like you're largely out on your own here really, there are no Lakers beat writers mourning Darvin Ham. You can't have watched those two series versus the Nuggets and think Harvin coached well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Anyway, RIP to the Clippers era of pseudo-relevancy. Kawhi, George and Harden will have been paid over $300m the last three years for 0 playoff wins. Kawhi has only played in 4 of their last 20 playoff games. Balmer can afford it obviously, but just a terrible, terrible return.

    The 25 - 5 run gave false hope for what the team could accomplish because we seemed to forget Kahwi had become a completely unreliable star. No way for them to get better, nothing to do other than run it back with a combo of aging stars who have questions around their motivation at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Have you watched other teams play the Nuggets in the playoffs last year. Nobody could do anything to improve things.

    You'll always have a minimum of two of Jokic, Gordon, Murray, Porter and Caldwell-Pope on the floor. Caldwell-Pope should have been held onto by the Lakers. Then you've got Braun and Jackson, there's no let up.

    The Lakers couldn't match up against that. Their top two were no match for Jokic and Murray and their other three starters were no match for the Nuggets three.

    Then you go to the bench and the Lakers have a weak bench.

    Ham was always going to get the blame and it's no surprise he was fired but the first man to go, if he's not gone already, should be the GM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    You say they were no match and yet they established leads in every game, led for the vast majority of minutes, etc.

    Ham made poor decisions, struggled with adjustments and the word is out from multiple players that he doesn’t “coach”.

    Pelinka should probably be fired also, I have no quarrel there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    If the coach was so bad how did they manage to hang with the NBA champions for so long?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Thats two players up against better ones in Jokic and Murray.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Knicks take game one but it all came down to a di Vincenzo flop. There was a bump on him but it's never called but he dived and got the call. Pacers stupidly challenged it leaving them with no time outs.

    Its horrible to see games ruined by flops.

    Anyway a fourth consecutive 40+ points game for Brunson, I think he's gonna be MVP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Wolves on fire in the first half, up by 26. Naz Reid doing a sterling job on Jokic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Charles Barkley calling the Timberwolves defense the best he's ever seen and none of the other analysts disagreeing.



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