Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

It said working paper on the title page, it was an early version. I don't have access to the full article, but I get the gist.

The article below pretty much sums up my reaction.

Essentially IPAs can show as contributing less to the economy because they're more likely to end up in low paid jobs or be restricted from working.

That only shows us that these type of economic measurements don't capture the true value of much low paid work. A lot of childcare workers, hospital cleaners etc in Ireland would be measured as a 'drain' on the economy because they might be relying on income supports or HEPA. Are the net contributors though? Of course, see how well the country functions without them.

It's quite a nasty and cheap angle to take really when you think about it.

https://www.saisjournal.eu/article/81-Refugees-Are-Not-Fiscal-Burdens.cfm

Is that factoring the unemployment rate as well?

I agree but the fundamental metrics that require revision are the threshold for protection, the time-limits for protection, and the processing time for applications. Access to welfare and other reception conditions represents a certain degree of attraction to migrants but the primary measurement of attractiveness is the potential to remain in the State. At the moment, Ireland has a low threshold for protection, generous time-limits for protection, lengthy processing times, and low deportation rates, for this reason it is an ideal destination for migrants.

Bit of a segway but not really.

I've lived in Ballsbridge 3 years now. Not once have I seen a proper supercar. Seems to be loads of Porsche 911s but that's the height of it.

Today I passed 2 lambos on Baggott St. Wtf Unbeknownst to me as I was down West for the day, there was a car fair in Herbert Park. Lambos, McClaren F1s, Merc SLs.

If anything from the misery of living in the tent. I hope the folks enjoyed it! I'm sure the word of the Dublin wealth will spread.

That article you posted a link to is wishy washy. Zero figures or numbers on what the actual cost is. And he does the usual trick of conflating legal, working migrants (nurses, doctors etc.) with IPAs and Asylum Seekers. In the first paragraph of the 'Real Benefits of Migration' section he mentions doctors at least six times. It has been repeated ad nauseam that nobody has any issues with qualified workers coming here on visas. They aren't the ones sleeping in tents on the Grand Canal that require free acommodation or filling up hotels around the country.

The entire artice can be perhaps summed up by the final line: "I am not saying that Sweden or the EU should admit refugees because it benefits Sweden and the EU. Sweden and the EU should admit refugees to defend and uphold human rights."

construction workers are not low paid.

But their on HAP and family income supports due to our current economic climate, especially around housing and cost of living… which is being made worse(albeit by a tiny amount overall) by illegal migration.

We wont close the border with the North as a reaction to asylum seekers arriving from there.

France and Italy are 2nd and 4th in europe in terms of the number of asylum applications they receive. Only Germany has more applications than France in all europe.

We are already digitally tracked throughout our daily lives.

European countries have a similar culture to ours and have some of the lowest crime rates in the world.

These migrants are coming from cultures that are incredibly different from Europe's in almost every way with crime rates 10-20 times higher and where persecution of homosexuals and rampant discrimination against women is the norm.

They are going to bring issues such as FGM, "honour" killings and grooming to this country as has already happened in France, Sweden and the UK.

Additionally, we seem to be getting the ones that the UK have already rejected so these are even more likely to be criminals.

It's crystal clear what is amiss. You have government departments working towards a policy that is to stop 'shanty towns' developing in urban areas. Seeking to move asylum seekers to prepared camps and doing so.

Then you have charities funded largely by the state actively working against the above policy. By facilitating these encampments in providing tents, tarpaulins, food, advice etc etc. They are actively undermining what the government is trying to do. There's a word for this.

I've given money to some of these charities in the past, like hell will I do in the future. I expect my donations to go to Irish homeless people. As for the state, it should defund them straight and simple.

At this stage, the state may as well keep clearing the tents away and see how long the supplies last.

Ireland is the end of the line for a lot of these migrants having spent months in various other European countries sampling their welfare systems. These countries are now clamping down.

We are the end of the line for a failed European policy for economic migration. Most of the legitimate refugees and "future doctor and nurses", as Leo coined them, have long since being absorbed into Europe. We are left with the rest who will be using our welfare systems.

Europe knows it, the UK knows it but seemingly the Irish government dosent quite get it yet.

The Dublin convention was our shield against this phenomenon, when it was drafted our government knew this. It's all gone out the window now by our own governments stupidity and their "advisers" in the NGO sector that has mushroomed in Dublin.

Not sure what detention has to do with accomodation availability?

Considering we have no accomodation now and the numbers arriving have doubled to record levels so far this year, I dont think the deterrent is working.

In short, we have never had less accomodation available and at the same time we have never had more Asylum applications.