Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

construction workers are not low paid.

But their on HAP and family income supports due to our current economic climate, especially around housing and cost of living… which is being made worse(albeit by a tiny amount overall) by illegal migration.

We wont close the border with the North as a reaction to asylum seekers arriving from there.

France and Italy are 2nd and 4th in europe in terms of the number of asylum applications they receive. Only Germany has more applications than France in all europe.

We are already digitally tracked throughout our daily lives.

European countries have a similar culture to ours and have some of the lowest crime rates in the world.

These migrants are coming from cultures that are incredibly different from Europe's in almost every way with crime rates 10-20 times higher and where persecution of homosexuals and rampant discrimination against women is the norm.

They are going to bring issues such as FGM, "honour" killings and grooming to this country as has already happened in France, Sweden and the UK.

Additionally, we seem to be getting the ones that the UK have already rejected so these are even more likely to be criminals.

It's crystal clear what is amiss. You have government departments working towards a policy that is to stop 'shanty towns' developing in urban areas. Seeking to move asylum seekers to prepared camps and doing so.

Then you have charities funded largely by the state actively working against the above policy. By facilitating these encampments in providing tents, tarpaulins, food, advice etc etc. They are actively undermining what the government is trying to do. There's a word for this.

I've given money to some of these charities in the past, like hell will I do in the future. I expect my donations to go to Irish homeless people. As for the state, it should defund them straight and simple.

At this stage, the state may as well keep clearing the tents away and see how long the supplies last.

Ireland is the end of the line for a lot of these migrants having spent months in various other European countries sampling their welfare systems. These countries are now clamping down.

We are the end of the line for a failed European policy for economic migration. Most of the legitimate refugees and "future doctor and nurses", as Leo coined them, have long since being absorbed into Europe. We are left with the rest who will be using our welfare systems.

Europe knows it, the UK knows it but seemingly the Irish government dosent quite get it yet.

The Dublin convention was our shield against this phenomenon, when it was drafted our government knew this. It's all gone out the window now by our own governments stupidity and their "advisers" in the NGO sector that has mushroomed in Dublin.

Not sure what detention has to do with accomodation availability?

Considering we have no accomodation now and the numbers arriving have doubled to record levels so far this year, I dont think the deterrent is working.

In short, we have never had less accomodation available and at the same time we have never had more Asylum applications.

I've read some clutching of straws before but that takes the biscuit!

Hello Roderic ,I was wondering when you would rejoin the discussion by the way this is a discussion about refugees and asylum seekers ,migrants are more then welcome to apply for work permits if they don't receive a visa

This counter argument is very poor. I think the vast majority of us have no issue with people coming into the country for the correct reasons via the correct channels.

I think the problem with any camps or such is we don’t actually detain anyone - we let off to roam around the place which is bonkers to me.

And before anyone asks - yes I fully support detention of anyone who arrives here with no documentation and/or under false pretenses illegally until their identity is established and they are brought into the existing system or ejected from the country.

What is interrsting here is that the govt disperesed the camps on Mount St and Harris said there will be no shanty towns.

But the shanty town has moved to the canal within a matter of days.

Will it be cleared or will it grow larger?

Tents are here to stay. Even if we do fast processing and reject a lot of applications that still won't help. That will just mean supports will be reduced or cut off to loads of former applicants but we won't deport. Supports being reduced or cut off to rejected applicants will result in more tents.