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My autonomous lawn mower thread/blog

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  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭LubaDriver


    Speaking of luba 1 experience as the vision system negates some of these issues, especially while out mowing. RTK directly above the base station is fine as long as the rtk has a clear view of the sky, all around in a 45 degree direction (think of it like an inverted cone). The rtk and luba have to see 20 of the same satellites to get a location fix, so the more the rtk can see, the better luba will work as it moves around getting shaded by obstacles.

    As for placing it close to a tall wall, it's generally advised against that, but if you have a 180 degree view of the sky at the base, it might be OK. The problem with restricted view locations though is that it works sometimes - you might have enough satellites in view one day, but the next you don't and the schedule will not start.

    If I were you, I'd try it - especially if it's the ideal location all other things considered, but I'd also be prepared for a plan B if it doesn't work. Moving the base is straightforward since you can do it without remapping. Moving the rtk is a pain in the arse though.

    One word of advice is to definitely get a fixed permanent location for the rtk that can be remounted between seasons. If mammotion shut their servers and the app becomes inoperable at least you will be able to cut your existing maps with the mower mounted buttons. That's really the big risk with the mower - the company doesn't make it and closes the servers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭ra0044


    I have the Einhell Freelexo and found I had the same issue. I solved it by moving the docking station to a couple of meters or less from the last turn. It then doesn't start to wander as much as it doesn't have a long straight before docking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,454 ✭✭✭jamesd




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Technophobe


    Thanks for the reply...I had been wondering too about the guide wires being so close together and whether that would bean issue, what with them being only about 4 feet apart...

    But reading the blurb on the Lidl mower for example, they would be even closer as it states the mower will cross the wire for 20 to 30cm before turning...so in the case of my 4 feet narrow strip, I would be placing the wires at least 1 foot in from the border on either side!

    Is that the case for all these mowers that they cross the wire? I had assumed it was like the dog wire boundary i.e the mower wouldn't cross the wire...thoughts??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭WildWater


    I'll be setting up my Luba2 over the weekend. The easiest place for me to set up the RTK is on the garden shed at the back of the house. However, the house will be between it and the front lawn. Will that cause issues? I know it doesn't have to have line of sight but a whole house in between?

    My other option is to put it near the boundary on one side of my site. This would give line of sight to 100% of the back garden and about 98% of the front. However, there is no power over there so providing that would take a bit of work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 Jack_wicklow


    Thanks, mate!

    I ended up buying from that website Mowers.ie - Barry replied to my emails quickly, and they are also authorized dealers for Mammotion's LUBA 2 here in Ireland. Excited and anxious waiting for mine to arrive. He said that it should be with me by Saturday at the latest on Monday. I will keep you guys posted.

    Cheers...



  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭SocialSpud


    Hi folks,

    I bought the Worx Landroid L2000 1.5 years ago in anticipation for my new lawn. The lawn was very delayed but it should be ready in about a month. Thing is, I see some more advancement has been made in robot mowers since I first bought it, especially with the Luba 2. The Landroid is completely new in the box so I can hopefully recoup most of what it originally cost me. If it was you, would you keep the Landroid, or take the opportunity to get the Luba 2 instead and sell the Landroid?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,118 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Its a lawnmower. As long as it cuts your grass with the most minimal interaction from you. Forget the rest. That's the entire point.



  • Registered Users Posts: 831 ✭✭✭pajoguy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭pacman114


    Anyone buy direct from mammotion? Looks to be slightly cheaper than mowers.ie

    edit: Sorry looks like its not available in Ireland from their site



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,461 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Morning all

    It's my first full day as a robot mower owner so needless to say, there are many questions. I've sent them to the installer too but might as well get stuck in here.

    I got 2 mowers (wifey didn't want dropped kerbs) a Kress 101e wired mower for the side, and a Kress 172e RTK for the front and back.

    101e

    It'll cut away happily until the battery runs low, and then goes "home" to charge which is fine. The issue is, it doesn't seem to come out again. I have to tell it via the app to start. Not sure if I'm doing something daft? The 101e is a pretty basic model so I don't seem to have a map of the area to show cutting progress etc as I do with the bigger unit.

    172e

    Yesterday evening I had 2 occasions where it lost position and ended up shutting down. I set it for a full cycle again starting at midnight and it has been OK since, it did lose position a few times but got going again after a few minutes. Is it normal for it to have some teething problems first time out and does it "learn" the garden a bit as it goes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,461 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    And on a separate note, I'm sure it's been asked before but save me the torture of searching…

    Insurance. Does house insurance cover the mowers in the event of theft? If not, are there companies who offer it?

    I know that the mower won't operate outside of the area that has been mapped/wired but the average opportunistic scoundrel doesn't know that and might be tempted to hop the wall and grab one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,118 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    No idea about the model but sort out that hanging electrical box. The top mounted cable entry will funnel water right into that box gasket or not and it will fill with water in any showers. You'll murder your equipment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,461 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Yeah that pic was taken during the install, I'll be tidying it all up and shortening the cables later today.



  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭LubaDriver


    It should be OK. I have mine mounted on the pole it came with so it's quite low to the ground (location still has a perfect sky view). When luba is mowing the front lawn, the signal has to penetrate a long low bungalow. No issues with the rtk signal to date.

    Can't guarantee success for you, but I think you'll be OK. If it's not, you always have the option of putting an Eir sim in it and using RTKn (assuming you have WiFi reception at the rtk) . You'll get massive range with that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭LubaDriver


    The other thing with Luba is that it's my personal opinion, from reading all the issues users have had is that it must be covered while it is parked. Water ingress has been a a problem for luba in the past. Lidl have a robot garage this week and it is apparently a good fit. I can't confirm this myself. It seems it's OK if it gets caught out on a shower but if it's sitting on the charger in sustained rain, that can be a problem.

    Speaking of water ingress, I can't recommend strongly enough to never use the hose to clean the underside. Yes, they advertise it as a feature but it completely depends on the integrity of some flimsy rubber boots staying intact and the boots are impossible to inspect without dismantling the cutting mechanism. A brush and gloves is fine. If you have access to compressed air, that's even better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,138 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    from reading all the issues users have had is that it must be covered while it is parked. Water ingress has been a a problem for luba in the past…. It seems it's OK if it gets caught out on a shower but if it's sitting on the charger in sustained rain, that can be a problem.

    That would be a red flag for me, if true. This is Ireland, its going to have to handle lots of rain. It spends hours out around the lawn. If its taking in water while parked, it will take it in while mowing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,461 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Kress guy said similar yesterday. The bigger mower is advertised as fine to be washed down with water but he said not to bother. Just brush it down or use air. I'll give it a blast with a leaf blower maybe, or just gloves & brush as you say.

    The smaller Kress is clearly marked as not safe for hose washing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,138 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Asked quite often on here alright. Not covered by default.

    Some insurance companies do offer some generic insurance for lawn equipment but if you read the fine print it has to be locked up at night in a garage so it wont cover the robot mowers.

    I think one company allowed you to list the mower as a special item but cant remember who that was now.

    End result… its not easily insured and I havent heard of anyone here having theirs robbed. Most of the mowers have a PIN on them so it cant be used by anyone else anyway…. not much use if the mower is gone but I dont think there is a market for stolen ones so it doesnt seem to have been a problem for anyone yet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭WildWater


    Thanks @LubaDriver much appreciated. I'll try it out and see how I get on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,461 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Yeah figured that.

    The larger Kress has GPS tracking as well as the PIN but the small one has nothing.

    As you say it's not really likely to be an issue. You can get a GPS module for the small one but at £200 for a £650 mower it wouldn't make sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,461 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Something like this might would work, if I could find a spot to hide it that wouldn't be obvious to a scoundrel.

    https://pebblebee.com/products/pebblebee-clip



  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭LubaDriver


    They are just my own experiences and opinions and should be taken as that - my view. Luba 1 did have a lot of problems with water ingress, the original rtk had a manufacturing oversight that resulted in water leaking through a led light lens - my own one had to be replaced (under warranty and no quibble has to be said) as a result. Others had issue with the button the top of the mower leaking. As a result of the problem mammotion issued a free custom cover for both the rtk and a rubber cover for the mower buttons. As I had kept my luba in a "garage" the button sealing didn't get tested on mine. It got sent out in all weathers though.

    Mammotion have learned a lot from the Luba 1 experience, the rtk and the top of the mower has been redesigned to be better sealed. It's early days yet but I'm not seeing any water ingress issue with the 2 like I had with the 1 at this point. I'd be quite confident in the weather sealing now, but I'd still have it parked under cover if possible.

    Worth knowing that lidl have a robot garage in stock this week. I've seen on FB that luba fits under it. It's only €40, which is much better value than the flimsy OEM one which is like €140.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,118 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    All mowers should have a mower house to charge in. If anything it will extend the life of your machine against sun damage and environmental damage. It cuts its time exposed in half whilst it's charging. That can only ever be a positive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭LubaDriver


    Much more for an RTK/GPS mower. Since it cuts in a pattern it only comes out once every three days for every 1000m2 of cutting area.

    My own one has 700m2 to maintain and it's out for 4 hours every 3-4 days. It spends the rest of its time in its house.

    Don't know about Luba 2, but KS Luba 1 has a relatively high parasitic draw of 14W while on charger but not actively charging.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,461 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Another potentially daft question, not my last I'm sure…

    Am I right in thinking that a standard wired mower is actually really inefficient? It doesn't have the area mapped so it doesn't know where it has cut before so it's just a matter of doing random cuts over and over again and eventually by the law of averages it will have gone everywhere?



  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭LubaDriver


    Typically yes that's the way it works. It bounces around like a drunk all day every day and eventually over enough time it will have whole area covered. This can cause problems if you have areas separated by narrow channels so a guide wire is needed to help it get to where it needs to go.

    As for your other question - I can only speak of luba but the tech is similar in the kress. Yes there is a learning curve and potentially baby sitting, trial and error at the start however the mower doesn't "learn". If you are losing signal you need to do something to address that - it might be trim back trees or remove a metal fence or not send it between two tall structures at all. It really depends where it is getting stuck. Sadly there might be no solution if the problem is signal shading caused by the house for example. That's where vision augmented rtk systems like what luba 2 have really come into their own.

    Certain times of the day there will be more satellites available but the annoying thing is that it won't occur at exactly the same time every day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 Jack_wicklow


    As far as I know, I tried to buy directly from Mammotion's website in the US, UK, and even Germany. However, all of them replied with the same answer: they don't sell to other countries because Ireland has its authorized dealers. They directed me to two sites, one being mowers.ie (where I bought mine), and the other site was cgeltd.ie. I contacted both of them but cgeltd.ie customer service wasn't great, and they were also more expensive than mowers.ie. Thankfully, Barry, the sound lad I was in contact with at mowers.ie, informed me that they were almost sold out, and the next container of LUBA mowers will arrive in 6 to 8 weeks only.

    Best of luck with your purchase!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,138 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    I cant speak for the mower you've bought but alot of the wired Husqvarna's have GPS built-in which it uses to create a map of areas it has covered. It still is somewhat random in its operation but it will go to areas it knows it hasnt cut for "a while".

    eventually by the law of averages it will have gone everywhere

    That is generally what they all do to varying degrees. Once it gets on top of the first cut of the season you dont notice it after that as it will be just nipping a bit off the top all the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,461 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    "Dolly" had a good day today after last night's teething problems.

    Daisy is docked until I get the push mower out and clear that crap from along the verge. She manages that other bit of grass to the right of the picture above.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,461 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Forecast is rain all day tomorrow so I scalded Daisy's territory with the push mower, particularly up along the fence and trees.

    Sent the mower out just after 8 and nearly 40 minutes later, only 32% used (less intensive work) and no jams at all (so far).

    I've set it to cut til quarter to 12. That'll be enough time to run low, charge again and then get back out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,461 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Worked a treat. Cut for about an hour and 20, went back and charged for an hour, then went back out for another hour and then off to bed/dock.

    No jams. No issues.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 Jack_wicklow


    Quick update about my LUBA order lads!

    I just received my LUBA 2 AWD 5000 that I purchased earlier this week from Mowers.ie. Great customer service and fast delivery, reliable website lads. I'm Looking forward to giving this beauty a go tomorrow!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,118 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Ya should never setup robot mower to cut the grass. It's sole job is to trim the top and mulch. It can't do that effectively if starting from height. Cut it down start of season and let the robot look after the constant trim.



  • Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭Bedouin79


    lads 3 yrs in I’m done went down to dust off the mower after winter hibernation. Another control panel fried. So much it can stay out all winter. I have a house for the charging station and the mower came in for winter. Red light on the charger battery near flat on the mower. I’ll be looking to get a ride on by next year. For all its convenience these robot mowers are more work and just not suited to Irish climates.


    apologies rant over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭denismc


    Sorry to hear, which model of Automower do you have?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,118 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    What mower is it? 3 things,

    1. Your mower may have been a dud, however there's thousands of mowers working away in Ireland
    2. You'll never get back wasted hours doing machine work on grass.
    3. Basic calculation I've saved myself literally a month of mowing that's mowing every hour of the day for a month. I won't go back to that. Time I can spend doing other more important stuff.

    Post edited by listermint on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,897 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    I've been thinking of buying a robot lawnmower for a number of years.

    I have 2 lawns front and back separated by a patio, concrete footpath and tarmac drive so I think I need 2 base stations.

    I have no external sockets, will I need to get an electrician out to setup the base station power for me ?

    I'm thinking this could be very messy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,118 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Mowers will require external power. But then again you'll have those power outlets for other uses too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    have you a socket in a shed or similar area? That was my solution

    😎



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,897 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    Closest would be in a small storage room I have beside the boiler house.

    It has its own door that leads onto the patio adjacent to the lawn.

    I often plug in an extension lead there if doing work in the garden.

    Would that be of use ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,118 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Could be an easy spur to outside wall. Depending on setup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭denismc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122103350#Comment_122103350You can get external sockets and wire them yourself if you are any way competent.

    You just have to feed the cable through a wall and plug into a standard 3 pin in your shed or garage.

    http://Weatherproof Outdoor Socket Waterproof Double Socket 3M Extension Lead IP66 Switched Wall Electrical Outlet 13 Amp 2 Gang Power Socket,Garden Outside Plug Sockets Cover Box https://amzn.eu/d/6z6VPHY.

    Sorry unable to insert a link for some reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,897 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    Ok thanks, that looks like something I can do myself allright.

    Would sort the back but no real access to the front for power.

    Can these mowers travel across tarmac and footpaths ok ?

    If the only way to "drive" the mower from one lawn to another is across tarmac then you have to cut a slot in the tarmac to lay the wire and have a slope on/off the kerbs at some point so that it can drive it.

    Dont like the idea of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    get one without a wire

    😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭denismc


    You can make a ramp and bury the guide wire, or you can lift the mower across the driveway a couple of times a week or just get another small mower.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,461 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    That was my solution. Big RTK model for the main garden, small wired one for the other side of the drive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,897 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    I thought of lifting it but it needs to return to the charge point regularly to recharge I thought ?

    The charge point would be out the back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,118 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Cut thin slot across drive , drop guide into it. Cover with Tar / concrete mastic. Job done.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭denismc


    That will work if the tarmac is level with the grass but I am guessing he has some sort of kerb in which case he has a bit more work to remove kerbs and build some sort of ramps.



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