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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,506 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Amazing how the Russians don't just own their Nazi proclivities.

    Almost as if they have a residue of shame.

    https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2022-07-17/butchers-collide-stalingrad-80-years



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,434 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    The Vatniks are easily banned, but they'll soon be back. And in greater numbers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,339 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    The same media that talked up summer offensives is now doing reverse in the last few months

    Some interesting points there that the 1km a month advance in some areas looks weak compared to what Ukrainians done last summer especially when one compares the artillery differences



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,699 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Ukraine advance a couple of kilometres after throwing the kitchen sink at Russia,

    "Looks like Ukraine's offensive is slow going"

    Russia advance a couple of kilometers after throwing the kitchen sink at Ukraine,

    "Is the war turning in Russia's favour?"



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,367 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Can you give more context? The twitter text isnt in English, at least for my view.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭zv2


    Here's a translation from another video

    Last night, a Magura V5 maritime strike drone destroyed a Russian speedboat in Vuzka Bay in Crimea. The video of the destruction of the enemy target was released by the Defense Intelligence of Ukraine.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,411 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I found out a thing today. The Russian minister of children, the one who stood by Putin announcing the policy of abducting children from Ukraine to be raised as Russian, has being decrying the evil West for allowing children to dress as animals. She says this is common practice in the West and shows the lack of morals and decency now in the decedent west.

    The same woman who is now the Minister, stripped completely naked live on Russian television for a cash prize.

    Look over there. Don't look at the 100k's of dead russians or murdered Ukrainians or raped women, or stolen children or demolished towns and villages, comes to mind.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    If the UK invaded Ireland, and proclaimed to the world that it was only doing it to stop EU expansion, we in Ireland would know that its nonsense. So yeah, i dont trust the UK, nor do I trust the Russians. And by any objective measure Russia are many multiple times worse than the UK at the present point in time.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Russia invades. Ukraine is unable to resist. The EU/US support a ceasefire to give them time and options. Russia agrees to this ceasefire, which also gives Russia time and options. Ceasefire breaks down when Russia invades again.

    Where is the bad faith on the EU/US part? You really have to squint to see any moral equivalence between the EU, US and Russi.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    nuclear drills near Ukraine border.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    This is a sign of weakness on Russias part. If they were actually going to use tactical nuclear weapons they wouldnt telegraph that fact. And if their plan is to occupy Ukraine, why would they make several areas an irradiated wasteland that they have to clean up?

    Most importantly though, China will not want the nuclear taboo to be broken, so will impose restraint on their nuclear armed "ally".



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Another 50$ bn being cooked up

    No wonder Russians are getting rattled, no amount of spin and spoofing would hide the fact that Russian economy is only 1/50th of the civilised western world



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared




  • Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭DialecticAspirations


    I'm curious about something.

    What do people here think the likely outcome of the war is going to be?

    1. Ukraine victory
    2. Russian victory
    3. Ongoing stalemate / never-ending war
    4. Eventual permanent ceasefire / peace agreement.
    5. Something else

    If it's 4), then how could this be accelerated/brought forward so as to minimise further loss of life?

    (Apologies to mods if this shouldn't be in this thread - please move/delete if that's the case)



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Peace would involve Russia ending their war. Putin has made it clear that his concept of peace is completing the invasion.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭strathspey


    I think it's going to lead to the bankruptcy and breakup of ruZZia, on a similar scale to what happened to the USSR…..history has a habit of repeating itself. The question we should be asking ourselves is, how can we in the West hasten this process.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Yeah one thing that has been consistent since March 2022 - whenever the Russians start sabre-rattling about nuclear weapons then the tide is turning against them. There wasn't much mention of them this year, since things were going ok for them on the ground in Ukraine but as soon as the big US aid bill passed a few weeks ago they've back at it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭macraignil


    I think it will turn out as option 1. but the amount of damage done to Ukraine by putin's terrorists may make it difficult to appreciate as a victory to those who have had to suffer being neighbours to putin's empire. The losses in putin's forces are just not sustainable in the longer term.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    5. Same thing that happens to authoritarian Russian leaders who get silly notions and start stupid expansionary wars of colonial conquest, collapse

    Happened in Afghanistan, and before around WW1 and before during the Crimean war ( fun fact this war already has more Russian dead than that war)

    They also came very close in WW2 to losing despite kicking off the war with invasions of Finland, Romania and then Poland (never forget they allied to Hitler!), but got saved but allied lend lease and pressure being taken off elsewhere both in pacific and Italy/North Africa and then France



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    What are your opinions on it? Interesting that you picked out 4) as the one to focus on….



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I've been of the opinion, since the summer offensive petered out last year, that this is going to become like Korea with no peace treaty but a heavily fortified line cutting through Ukraine, roughly along where the battle lines are now - give or take 10-20km in either direction. The fact that the Ukrainians have been digging their own heavily fortified trenches recently only reinforces that opinion.

    It just seems to be really really difficult to breach a well fortified minefield in the era of ever advancing drone technology. The Ukrainians hit that wall last summer and I think the Russians will face the same problems when the Ukrainian defensive lines are complete.

    The Russians will likely continue to fire long range missiles and drones at Ukrainian cities behind the front lines and the Ukrainians will likely continue to target strategic infrastructure in Russian proper with their own drones but I think eventually these too will become less frequent and probably less effective as defenses improve on both sides.

    Neither side will admit that it's a stalemate but that's probably what it will be like - much like as in the Donbas from 2014-2022.

    The only way that either side gets to realise their official aims (Ukraine - regaining all their pre-2014 territory; Russia - regime change in Ukraine) is if the other country collapses which doesn't appear to be likely anytime soon in either case.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    they “just asking questions” 😉 no harm

    Tho #4 is nonsensical as Russia and Putin has a long long history especially when it comes to this war in not adhering to ceasefire and agreements and treaties

    The only way #4 would work is if there are NATO troops and nuclear weapons in Ukraine to prevent Putin from breaking any treaties yet again



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Peace talks/negotiations have more latterly been a feature of Kremlin spin, with a sideorder of "saving lives". It's trying to appeal to the more measured western mind(rather than the usual fringes) by sounding conciliatory and "reasonable". With the "I'm only asking questions™ angle of course.

    Now Russia could save lives Ukrainian and Russian in the morning by fcuking off back across their borders, but that's not going to happen. Paranoia, an oft large sniff of cultural insecurity and a puzzling lack of self awareness re their imperial mindset simply wouldn't allow for it.

    And as I've pointed out before; under a 150 people died in the last three years of the Donbas war. The tens of thousands dead since '22 are entirely on Putin's head. "Saving lives" indeed…

    Plus the Kremlin hasn't exactly a great record in respecting treaties so there's that. The only way I can see them sticking to any peace plan that comes along is forcing them to. They'll push for demilitarisation of Ukraine(they talk about this a lot in their "reasons" for the war), but that should be a hard nyet and however "shove it up your arse" translates into Russian.

    As for how this pans out? I'll go back to my position from early on(after Ukraine pushed Russia back from Kiev etc) which is Crimea remains in Russian hands. That's a given imho, unless the Russian empire folds in on itself. Secondly they'll almost certainly keep the land bridge between the bits of Donbas they have and Crimea. Whatever chance Ukraine had of breaking that up has imho passed. The Russian military was shambolic for much of this war, but now they're dug in and holding that will be far easier than taking it back.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,085 ✭✭✭threeball


    Nukes are a useless deterrent. If Russia took the notion to invade a country with nukes then you can be pretty sure that country would not nuke Russia as it would mean getting obliterated itself.

    Nukes are only a deterrent if you have enough to blow up your enemy and all their allies and are mad enough to do it without hesitation.

    A good detterent however, would be an extremely good missile system that could immediately attack any convoy of troops that breech your border and a DMZ to make any advance improbable. Ukraine will probably need a 2km dead zone all along whatever border they end up with against Russia when this is all over, full of thick forest, trenches and remotely detonatable buried explosives.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,436 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And in celebration of "Victory Day".. and at 519'000 rubles, its a snip (€5262.66)



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