Deposit return scheme (recycling)

that added layer of IT sofistikation on top of masheens that barely work anyway is unthinkable 🤣

@LambshankRedemption

I'm doing my bit for the environment already. I'm just a bit cheesed off being taxed for it at the same time.

Except you're not being taxed.

It's worse than that.

You're, literally, giving money to a private business for you doing something that you were already doing.

If this was actually a state run scheme, I'd have much less of a problem with it, warts and all. Because any monies not collected would go into the tax take and then, in theory, toward to the state. As it stands, all people are doing by not collecting their vouchers is lining the pockets of private individuals…to the tune of millions. What should have been a state run entity has, once again, been hocked off to private enterprise.

A great little country to do "business" in.

Your obsequious sycophancy towards this scheme scam is nauseating.

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I continue to do as I've always done…

Which is exactly what the owners of Re-turn were hoping for and they'll make bank out of that.

The legal structure of an NFP is clear.

No dividends can be paid.

Re-turn has already stated that it's keeping the money from unclaimed levies.

Big bonuses for the lads. 😉

You can slave yourself with some fantasy if you wish. But the whole thing stinks.

Putting everything into the one bin is better than driving round the country dumping it in hedges. But not as good as separating some of it into the Green Bin. Providing that the waste collectors do not recombine everything, which has been alleged. Having a deposit on the certain type of materials, and getting them back without any other contamination is the long standing model working well in other countries. Rendering them suitable for repeated recycling, and reducing the need for virgin products. Ours is the same, and unless we are some special species should improve our recycling rate for those items. The target we have as an EU member is 90% by 2029.

"The Single Use Plastics (SUP) Directive is the main driver for the introduction of Deposit Return. We need to achieve the EU recycling targets of 77% by 2025, and 90% by 2029 and Deposit Return is a proven successful solution to achieving these targets."

Into the bargain, so called "not for profit" companies are tax exempt. 😉

The producers in Norway are getting away with paying no tax.

"The Norwegian system is simple. The government places an environmental tax on all producers of plastic bottles. The more they recycle, the more that tax is reduced. If they collectively recycle more than 95% – which they have done every year since 2011 – they do not have to pay the tax."

The shareholders of Re-Turn are the producers.

They currently pay a fee to Re-Turn.

As a result of the millions of cash Re-Turn is building up they will be able to charge producers, their shareholders, a lower fee.

It may not be called a dividend but will still improve cash flow for producers.

With a CLG registered company you don't need a sick note like Dee played and the rest followed suit. You can just head off into the sunset laughing. It's a very common thing in Ireland where people just get away with doing things, now I mean certain people not like the normal folk who end up being screwed over to pay for it.

You are both predicting future events which nobody can say will or will not happen.

As far as I see things the implementation so far has been fraught with problems.

The machines are not working properly, some shops have been charging deposits incorrectly and more than anticipated consumers are not engaging.

In addition it is a fact that returning to RVMs is more inconvenient than using the green bin.

I would like to see the problems addressed and the system to become user friendly.

I'm sitting beside a glass bottle bank for the last hour (have to use one of those large public washing machines, which is bside the bottle bins). Granted its a bank holiday weekend but the amount of people recycling glass bottles in the last hour is quite impressive, with no deposits to be retrieved.

People who want to recycle will do so. Those who don't, won't. No matter what deposits are charged.

Like anything in Ireland, the vast majority of people do the right thing. And then we end up with a stupid system that costs the ordinary people in their pockets, because of the failures of a few.

We all get it wrong from time to time.

I find it curiously liberating to admit an error and move on.

This isn't a matter of life and death, no need to fall out over it.