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Would you be in favour of Migrant checkpoints in Northern Ireland? - read OP before posting

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    #2
    Augme
    Registered Users Posts: 5,881 ✭✭✭Augme


    Has to one of the most poorly thought out ideas in a long time. It's no wonder we end up with the TDs we do.



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    #3
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The bloody amnesia necessary to forget the long and difficult argument with the UK about how this was impossible…



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    #4
    Allinall
    Registered Users Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭Allinall


    How do you recognise a migrant in order to check them?

    Or is the question- “Should there be checks in Northern Ireland “?



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    #5
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,551 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Yes.



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    #6
    suvigirl
    Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    As someone who grew up all the border, absolutely not, in no way at all.

    Its a different world now and anything that could even give rise to the possibility that things would go backwards? No. Absolutely no.



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    Fred Cryton
    Registered Users Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058350551/would-you-be-in-favour-of-migrant-checkpoints-in-northern-ireland

    Makes a lot of sense. Just stop everyone, check their passport and only let Irish / UK / EU / US etc through. Anyone with passport of any other nationality would need to prove they are on tourist visa. Anyone without documents at all would be fingerprinted and turned back for the British to deal with.

    Discriminate based on nationality - which any sovereign nation is allowed to do. That would get around fears of racial profiling.



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    #8
    standardg60
    Registered Users Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭standardg60


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104645#Comment_122104645

    So you want a hard border on the island again?

    Are you in the DUP?



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    #9
    Fred Cryton
    Registered Users Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104722#Comment_122104722

    People want a hard border to third world fraudulent asylum scammers. Absolutely yes. We can keep it soft for trading in goods and services.



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    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,823 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I thought the issues was with asylum seekers? Even with border checks in the north, as soon as they are stopped, they claim asylum and they are free to go on their way.



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    standardg60
    Registered Users Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭standardg60


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104735#Comment_122104735

    People? I assume you just mean you.

    How would you implement the hard and soft aspects? How would anyone know you weren't a third world fraudulent asylum scammer without stopping you and checking?



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    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No. If Barrett & Co don't like it, tough.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    Furze99
    Registered Users Posts: 11,185 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104667#Comment_122104667

    Tough, the world has changed, again.



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    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users Posts: 7,187 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104735#Comment_122104735

    What if all the asylum seekers just jump in the back of lorries then? Will every lorry have to be stopped and checked?

    What if they jump in the boot of a car. Will every car have to be stopped and searched?



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    #15
    Ronald Binge Redux
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭Ronald Binge Redux


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058350551/would-you-be-in-favour-of-migrant-checkpoints-in-northern-ireland

    Come up to Donegal and campaign for that. I dare you.



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    #16
    lmao10
    Registered Users Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭lmao10


    The far right are pushing for this because most of them are getting funded by British far right lads with money. Most of the lads on the ground who haven't really been thinking this through are going to soon realise they are being given the run around by Orangemen.



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    suvigirl
    Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104847#Comment_122104847

    In what way? do you think the people that didn't want a hard border and border checks in 'their country' have changed their attitudes?

    Do you assume that people who consider Ireland to be one country, will stand for being stopped by authorities 'in their own country' going wherever they want? 😂

    the world hasn't changed that much for some people on this island.

    Also, what's the point? It won't stop anyone claiming asylum, they will just do it at the border with northern Ireland instead of anywhere else.

    Pointless exercise



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    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,710 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058350551/would-you-be-in-favour-of-migrant-checkpoints-in-northern-ireland

    Well, only for the protestants



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    #19
    Furze99
    Registered Users Posts: 11,185 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104916#Comment_122104916

    You'd better learn to read the room and understand society. Your fellow citizens in this Republic demand change.

    The riposte 'Brits out, everyone else in' to SF policy sums up well hardening attitudes.



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    #20
    Maxface
    Registered Users Posts: 120 ✭✭Maxface


    Checks should be done in the Irish Sea, go back to them and ask will they do that.



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    #21
    suvigirl
    Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104954#Comment_122104954

    😂 read the room! you clearly don't read the room in afraid. You wouldn't want to see the 'protests ' that some people will participate in if they cannot pass through the border without checks.



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    #22
    trashcan
    Registered Users Posts: 4,021 ✭✭✭trashcan


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104757#Comment_122104757

    How are people not understanding this ? We have immigration checks at the airport don’t we ? Does that stop anyone claiming asylum ?



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    #23
    Esel
    Registered Users Posts: 22,281 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    If the checks are to be done in NI, as per the OP…

    Not your ornery onager



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    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,515 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104735#Comment_122104735

    so on the M1 with thousands of people moving every hour, how long of a delay do you want ?

    How many border control do uou want on the thousands of border crossings?



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    #25
    Augme
    Registered Users Posts: 5,881 ✭✭✭Augme


    You'd think for the passionate Irish flag wavers, a hard border with the North and blocking their fellow Irish citizens up north freely accessing the 26 counties with be a complete non-runner. Seems not though.



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    #26
    suvigirl
    Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058350551/would-you-be-in-favour-of-migrant-checkpoints-in-northern-ireland

    Hey OP, what are these checkpoints supposed to solve?



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    #27
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users Posts: 7,187 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105173#Comment_122105173

    Almost as if it was never really about Ireland in the first place…..



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    #28
    lmao10
    Registered Users Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭lmao10


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105173#Comment_122105173

    It's been a great operation by the Orangemen to buy off far right lads and have them do their dirty work for them. Even Tommy Robinson was over and getting a heroes welcome. I'm sure they had a good laugh about that considering what Robinson campaigned for in terms of a soldier involved in Bloody Sunday.

    Maybe certain people are just racist enough to join Orangemen and sell out but I think once people realise they've been played like a fiddle there might be a change of heart.



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    #29
    jimmyrusseII
    Registered Users Posts: 35 ✭jimmyrusseII


    I don't think the majority of economic migrants are coming in from the North, this seems like a cheap tactic to make it look like the government are doing something about immigration without actually doing anything, must be getting close to calling the election.



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    #30
    nullzero
    Registered Users Posts: 16,902 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    We need to beef up our processes for reviewing these people's applications.

    We should be assessing people within days not weeks or months.

    A huge number of people arriving here are chancing their arm because of our reputation for being a soft touch, the UK threatening them with deportation to Rwanda isn't the catalyst for tent cities popping up in Dublin, this problem predates that and we all know it.

    The waffle pushed by the usual hard line loons on the left here about anyone having a problem with packing young men into tents, being funded by the far right in the UK or Christian groups in the US or whatever other insane conspiratorial claptrap they're spouting today is getting preposterous now.

    Yes the likes of the few real far right idiots in Ireland will see this situation as an opportunity to rally support but this isn't an issue based in intolerance or hatred it's simply an issue of pitting people against each other for dwindling resources and if we keep doing it, we will end up with a real problem with intolerance and hatred and it will have been brought to life by the very people supposedly working to prevent it.

    Glazers Out!



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    #31
    Get Real
    Registered Users Posts: 903 ✭✭✭Get Real


    Not an option at all at all. To check for migrants, you have to check everyone.

    Anybody wanting this, how do you expect it to work practically? Pulling in cars, trucks, busses. Enforcing a hard border essentially and causing traffic jams. Even if it was 1 in every ten vehicles, the slowing down and moving lanes of everyone else would be chaos. And how do you know there's nobody in the other 9? Pointless.

    How can we have a common travel area, if we stop traffic and freight?

    In addition, do you want checkpoints on the M1 causing havoc, when someone who really wants to could just walk down a random rural road, of which there are 100s.

    Even if stopped, all a person has to do is say they are here to claim asylum, as they do in airports already. So it'd be purely for show to satisfy some weird desire of a few, and be a nightmare for every other practical reason.



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