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Anxiety and depression thread (Please read OP)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    How are you today grem? Did you get a good rest?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    A bit shook tbh but I've to be out. Spoons replenishment tomorrow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Slow enough, my OH is incredible thank feck



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    ….

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,073 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …just numb…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    I hear you. I'm constantly beating myself up mentally and doom scrolling on the Internet. This I can recognise and stop. But it's unreal how easily I revert. I just feel lonely, isolated and ashamed of the hole I've put myself in over the past many years and feel like I'm completely wasting my life. I have next week off work so I hope to get back to basics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    I've been quiet on here, for a while. It's been a very… it's been hell, honestly.

    Almost two weeks ago (it'll be two weeks on this Wednesday) my mum had to go to hospital. An infection in her leg didn't clear up with antibiotics. Looked like it might have been sepsis, so she had to go to hospital and get treatment. Some really strong drugs, it seems. My brother and me think she may not have taken them correctly-we found a tablet on the floor days after the course of tablets was meant to be finished.

    Well, they've been running scans. As is normal, make sure everything is fine and dandy. And they run a CT scan on her chest. And they found something. Something on the lung.

    My brother got a phone call, last Wednesday, from one of her doctors. The Doctor suspects that it's malignant, in his experience, it's nothing else. It's cancer. And this doctor has said he won't do any procedures because of an underlying lung issue. My brother picked up some of the details, but when he heard the words 'malignant'… he found it very difficult to pick up the rest of the details. He woke me up to tell me 'mum has cancer'.

    I tried to call my my mum, and not tell her about anything the doctor's had told us But I was crying down the phone, and told her it was because it was my father's death anniversary that was upsetting me.

    The following day, I had to have an emergency therapy session. Spent the whole session crying and trying to speak.

    We went in to see my mum a few days ago, there was a doctor there, who had also been treating her. He told us there was a lesion on her lung, that scans of the neck showed nothing, and because of her infection, they cannot do more tests at the moment. Only scans to monitor the situation, then a bronchoscopy and possible biopsy when she's stronger.

    When I said it's been hell, I meant it.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia




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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Desperate cliff dive in mood, I feel like I've bottomed out entirely, of course hand in hand is the guilt because nothing has happened so it's a pity party. The internal critic's voice is full fcuking volume..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Yup. I try now to ignore it. And also external critics. Also, think advertising and marketing and the competitive culture everywhere trying to make people feel inadequate, insecure and anxious. Nothing seems to be good enough or enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Hi Grem. I've been numb, emotionally, but thank you for asking.

    My mum has been in hospital three weeks now. She's improved a lot. Her appetite is noticeably stronger too. Visited her in hospital Tuesday, and she realised how sick she was. She has improved. The infection was very serious, and we've known some folks who had to stay in hospital, recently, for four months due to an infection.

    Went in today, as part of a hospital discharge program/ protocol. To discuss her treatment. She's been doing some physio, in the hospital. They're making her walk to build up strength in her legs. She found the physiotherapy very beneficial. But she's not doing enough of it. She's been resisting doing it, and this is sort of her stubborn nature coming to the fore.

    The Doctors and nurses, and physios spoke to us… and it was the most difficult conversation I've ever had in my life. Her siblings, the regional nurse, and one of her in-laws (standing in for a relative who has Covid) were there. They told us about her not doing enough physio. That she needed help getting up and so on.

    There are two suspicious lesions on the lung that the doctor wants to keep an eye on it with more scans. At present, they are in one area. He's the second doctor to suspect malignancy. If it's malignant, he won't treat my mother.

    As for right now, she can't come home as the home is not in a good enough state for someone who is physically not strong, and is not doing the physiotherapy. Mobility has been an issue for her. and getting about could prove hazardous. In order to be sent to a facility that will do further physiotherapy, she has to engage in the physio she's doing now. Otherwise, it's a nursing home. (The length of stay could be short-term, or permanent).
    And having to break that news to her, she started crying. I barely held it together. She was crying before this, she suspected something due to her siblings being there. We held back some of the details, including the suspicious lesions on her lung. At the moment, she does not have symptoms of anything serious, outside of the infection. The physiotherapist has said that my mum gets pain in her back doing physio, but she has had a back issue for many, many years. (A slipped disk decades ago, and a fractured rib years before that.).

    Walking away from the hospital, my brother was more optimistic than me. Telling me that we'll have to do some work on the house to make it adaptable to her needs, and that to keep our hopes up- the lesions may not be as serious. An uncle of mine, who had successful treatment for prostate cancer (it was found early and treated) said to me 'you can live years with cancer nowadays, sure I have it myself'. And told me 'keep that on the back burner-don't focus on it'. (Easier said than done).

    But all I could do was cry. I feel like I've abandoned her. And if the worst comes to the worst, and if it's cancer… I can't bare to imagine that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Taking a break from boards. Just burned out and exhausted. Be kind to yourselves.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    @RabbleRouser2k @SuperBowserWorld

    Lads thinking of ye both, don't be strangers but equally mind yourselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    @Gremlinertia

    Thank you so much for keeping tabs on us. I know everyone has their own problems.

    My brother spoke to my mum, the day after we visited her. What I had thought were tears of sadness… they were tears of joy. That's what she told my brother. Seeing her family there, actually caring about her welfare, and seeing so many of us… it really hit home. Folks she thought did not care, were there to boost her wellbeing. Boosted her spirits too. Her appetite is improving. It's even surprised her doctors. She has food she really likes, and when she gets that, she eats it all.

    The doctors and staff say that physically, she's able to do the physio. But she has said that she knows she needs the physio, but might have to do it in a nursing home rather than a physiotherapy facility. She's wiped out and tired from her infection (fairly common). And, she's actually okay with going into a nursing home. She's said this to us before. We're going to make sure she gets the best of care in there too. And physiotherapy is part of that. (My brother has said he sees this as temporary, while everything gets adapted).

    My brother has been a rock. I can't say enough for him. And he's very optimistic. Depression can certainly create a cloud, and I find it hard to see the sunlight. He, on the other hand, is far more optimistic than me.

    Bizarrely, I have trouble going to bed. Often sleeping on the couch. It's not a full sleep.

    I sometimes frequent online chat rooms that allow me to discuss my mental health(there are good ones out there, I just find it difficult to speak to folks like the Samaritans). Was in a few that had (unknown to me) medical professionals. They told me some information that gave me some hope. Hope is all I can really maintain right now.

    I've been having weird dreams lately. I find that, when I'm overcome, I tend to have dreams of the past. Past moments of my life, or people from the past. I know this happens to me during times of despair.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Thanks @Gremlinertia I really appreciate all that you do on here.

    Take it easy and see you all in a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Had a therapy session today. Things were hectic, there were a few folks in the house assessing things that might need to be done. I was rushing all over the place to try and get a private space for my appointment. I asked to do it over the phone, as there was a weather warning for thunder, and that tends to always mess with my internet. (I do my sessions over zoom).

    She noted I was more optimistic, I wasn't crying like I had been at the last session.

    That was a major step.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    It's confirmed. My mum has cancer.

    My aunt spoke to me today. She said the hospital were pretty much certain about it. No further tests required.

    I told my brother. He collapsed into tears. And he's been crying, devastated. It's been devastating.

    We visited my mum in hospital today. She had no energy. No appetite. It was a very difficult visit. It looks like she'll need 24/ 7 care, for the rest of her days. Treatment is not an option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Went to see my mum today.

    Today was really tough. It started out positively. I went to see my mum in the hospital she's in. She was much improved. She'd slept really well, she had cravings for things like water and tea. Food is still a little hit and miss. She's walking around too, with assistance. But it's good that she's moving. Uses the toilet on her own as well.

    I felt really upbeat coming home. She was talking and giving orders, a sign she's improving.

    In the evening, things changed. My brother and I, we had a discussion, and my brother started crying. The last few days, they've really hit him hard. It's like a life time of emotion has spilled out of him. Things he didn't get to say that he's afraid he won't get to say. Something as simple as 'I love you Mom'.
    All I could was try and listen to him. Not say anything, just listen. Ask him questions. The biggest fears he has. Many of them are my big fears, too.

    I'm trying to maintain hope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,073 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    look after yourself rabble, cancer diagnoses and treatment is beyond stressful, and not just for the person with it….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Feeling sad and depressed at the moment. Just want peace and quiet. Tired of all the crap and complexity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    You could cut my anxiety with a knife. Just so much stuff mounting up and no end in sight. I'm avoiding medication. I'm also avoiding alcohol, stimulants, and I am exercising regularly. So, I'm trying "natural" remedies.

    I know certain SSRIs can increase eye pressure which I don't want to happen in my case.

    But, I'm not functioning. I'm a proverbial nervous wreck. I've done talk therapy. I'm going to have to try meds.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    Not feeling the best this evening. Had a scam phone call that shook me to my core, they knew a lot about me. Anxiety is through the roof. Going to order a takeaway shortly to lift the mood hopefully. Don't know how I'll sleep tonight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭taxAHcruel


    Sorry to hear that OMT. What kinda things did they know? I hate scammers with all my heart. As someone who is into magic and illusion and "mind reading" and "mentalism" and so on - I know so many ways to manipulate people and play with their minds. And I do it just for fun and entertainment. The people who do it for personal gain through manipulation should be hung by the fingernails.

    Did you sleep ok? If it helps - one way I deal with anxiety is to do something very uncomfortable and difficult and then be proud of myself for doing it. A seriously cold shower or ice bath works for me :) But the trick is to give anxiety a focal point like a lightning rod.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Everyone reacts differently, your side effects may not even be noticeable, if your GP has just started you on a medication they should be looking to see you within a month again for ongoing monitoring and hopefully already mentioned that if you have any concerns to go straight back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭whatawaster81


    I went on 200 mg of Sertraline about 3 months ago. On boarded dose in 50s. At the start I had a massive appetite and had the munchies and put on the guts of a stone. I wasn't able to go near exercise.

    In the last three weeks my appetite is back under control, I've been back exercising and have lost a few pounds back.

    I'm also on a small dose of Olanzapine at night and am thinking about going back to up the dose as I'm a bit agitated and it's hard to get to sleep.

    Overall though there's a big improvement in my mood, less anxiety and OCD. I'd be interested to hear how you're getting on as you taper on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Feeling incredibly anxious, depressed and exhausted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,073 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …its bloody draining when in that place, rest rest rest, and try not be too hard on yourself….



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 connecting Dots


    just looking for peoples opinions on 5-htp, L-tyrosine and Valerian root for the treatment of anxiety and I suppose specifically anxiety that seems to have no root cause.

    I went to my GP who prescribed Sertraline but after 2 days I stopped taking them as the side effects were too severe. After 2 years of being on propranolol which I find fantastic I decided to do more research that brought me to amino acids.


    I have been taking 5-htp with L-tyrosine now daily (200mg + 1000mg) and have to say I have noticed a massive improvement. Now my anxiety always seemed to feel like a chemical imbalance for want of a better word so was happy to try supplements. 5-htp is a precursor to serotonin so it gives your body the building blocks to make more unlike SSRI which inhibit the uptake of existing serotonin. I liked this method because your body produces its own supply anyway so no harm boasting the building blocks. Also serotonin is a precursor to melatonin which helps with sleep and I have always suffered with poor sleep.

    Reading online, when you supplement with 5-htp (precursor to serotonin), you should also supplement with a precursor to Dopamine so as not to drop your levels of that and L-tyrosine is my source of Dopamine.

    In general I find valerian root very good for general anxiety which works nearly straight away. 5-htp takes a few weeks to build up in your system.


    Anyway I suppose I’m interested in people’s personal experiences/opinions with supplementing with Amino Acids in case there’s something I’m not seeing or should be doing different.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Not sure if you'll find much here, a lot of us are on meds that we are at least somewhat satisfied and most of us want or have a professional to talk to.. I'm not sure I remember a poster who was looking at it as pure chemistry and that's very scientific for those here.. I'm certainly going to have a read about things you've touched on though..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4 connecting Dots


    Definitely worth having a look. I’m not trying to say one way is better than the other but just what seems to be working for me and where I am at now.

    I have tried CBT and have seen a GP that specialises in mental health but haven’t talked to anyone outside that so very much new to all this and just I suppose trying to find out as much as possible.

    Thanks for the reply



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    The side effects of meds can be pronounced but at that stage seeing gp every two weeks or so for monitoring is key. I'm on some meds 15 or more years and wouldn't be without them, have added and taken away others as they've suited.. A straight chemical issue most definitely does not describe me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Too many dependents and problems, just want to go live in a monastery at this stage!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Can't focus. Head just spinning with anxiety. Need to reduce my life to the bare minimum, including online. And build back up without all the crap.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Going to a gig. Actually shaking with the fear, I know, I completely know I'll be ok in two hours. Why this abject misery?.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    If I could suggest something? Obviously no need to pay any heed just a bit of my experience..

    I used to be very all or nothing in my approaches to things, therefore if I was stopping something to give me a break I totally shut it down.. I try to be less severe now, like a day away from the Internet or news or work every few weeks. I am by no means any good at taking my own advice but this helps when I can manage it



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    I took Lexapro once, (on the advice of my sister) and it was possibly the worst experience of my life. My entire body shook for months and I couldn't stop the tremors. It was awful and I weaned myself off them without any assistance after three months and swore I would never do that to my body ever again. It took me years to recover. (I never went back to a doctor for years after it either)

    I've tried every kind of alternative and never found one that I stuck with other than what would normally constitute my everyday supplements but in that there are many things I would swear by. I found most of my problems went away when I stepped away from the people who were ultimately causing me to be anxious and resolved a lot of the problems that I was dealing with but that took a long time and therapy to get to the point of being strong enough to do that.

    I swear by antihistamines if I am stuck in a place that causes me enough anxiety to affect my sleep and other than that I take regular vitamin supplements (more recently specifically for women). I used NAC immediately after the lexapro as it felt like my liver had shut down and I spent a few years just focusing on healing myself physically. Cleansing juices and botanicals are still my go to and I got in the habit of swimming everyday as a way to release any pent up energy.

    I stopped drinking caffeine, and I quit smoking although not sure that helped with the anxiety and I'm conscious of the type of food I put in my body. Last year I went through a really rough spot and while I wont talk about it, following it I decided to do a fasting mimicking protocol (Buchinger wilhelmi) for 40 days. This radically changed my life and it's been a year to the day since that happened and I've been thinking about how much better my life has been since then.

    I decided to do it again because it was such an enjoyable experience and really set me up for the next 12 months. Today is day 3 :) (I won't be counting the days as it conveniently falls on my birthday)



  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭stabilio


    New to this forum. Diagnosed with bipolar quite a few years back. Had a recent hospitalization which had left me with severe anxiety. Really severe. I am anxious all the time, literally feel sick to my stomach. I'm also experiencing panic attacks on a regular basis. Am at my wits end and am trying tapping (EFT) therapy next week, and also spoke to a herbal medicine practitioner earlier this week. The anxiety is so bad it's starting to impact my day to day living, going anywhere outside the house just terrifies me. I am back at work, but for now just am working from home - the thoughts of going into the city just terrify me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭stabilio


    New to this forum. Diagnosed with bipolar quite a few years back. Had a recent hospitalization which had left me with severe anxiety. Really severe. I am anxious all the time, literally feel sick to my stomach. I'm also experiencing panic attacks on a regular basis. Am at my wits end and am trying tapping (EFT) therapy next week, and also spoke to a herbal medicine practitioner earlier this week. The anxiety is so bad it's starting to impact my day to day living, going anywhere outside the house just terrifies me. I am back at work, but for now just am working from home - the thoughts of going into the city just terrify me.

    If anyone has tried herbal medicine or EFT would be great to hear about your experiences.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Do you have ongoing contact with the mental health service locally? That sounds extremely difficult, my partner can't work at all and it's mostly the anxiety element for her. Absolutely debilitating..

    Have you any outside support network?

    I tried Eye Movement Reprogramming however found it stressful but I have a different diagnosis and no experience with EFT.

    Finally, welcome to the thread, sorry it's in such circumstances



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭Woodcutting




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    I got 5-HTP, years ago, before it was taken off the market. It messed me up big time. Would not recommend it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 connecting Dots


    It's not. I get it sent from England or whenever I'm up the North I can pick it up in most health food shops. Available over the counter there



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 connecting Dots


    Interesting. Do you mind me asking what happened and after how long did you notice the bad effects?

    I've been taking it for 3 months now and got to say my Anxeity is so much better, this really is the biggest improvement I've felt and with that I'm less cranky so that's always a plus.

    HHave not had one negative side effect thankfully but interested to find out as much as I can.



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