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Tesla Model S

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  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭Ranleth


    ok, this question may be a bit sad but are there any accessories that people would recommend for a model S?

    Small stuff like storage items to body kits, etc.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Not really. IMO. Depends on what you like and what version you have?

    CF lip spoiler from the Performance version, dechrome, black badges etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,771 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Mats. You can buy perfectly good aftermarket ones for little money. Dog rack if you have a big dog. And depending on what version you have, a tray for under the MCU screen is very handy as well as some centre console unit. That said, herself really liked the "yacht floor" of my pre-facelift Model S as it perfectly fits even a large handbag 😂

    Personally I wouldn't spend a cent on items that make the car just "look" better, like wheels, spoilers, badges, etc.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,205 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    the "hook and string" that allows the boot cover to lift when opening the boot, an essential purchase IMHO



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Such a simple add on, €5 worth. I'm assuming its standard on the newer cars?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,747 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Did you buy it @Ranleth?

    Congrats - hope to have an S before they disappear for good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,771 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    The ad is still up, so I'd say nobody bought it yet.

    As for the Model S, they will be around for a long time. Very few in the country though and there are no more being brought in. Not new (apart from a handful of left hand drive cars) and not second hand as the usual import path from the UK is closed. So it will always be an exclusive car here.

    I am glad now that I didn't buy a Model Y. I am likely keeping my Model S now for many years to come. There simply is nothing like it out there.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    And on the door handle fix, you can buy the repair kits seemly on eBay for €30 and repair yourself. One guy mentioned Ali express was €25 so an alternative to paying Tesla for it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭BigAl81


    Hi there,

    Wondering would anyone have any suggestions for a small chip / crack in the rear left side of the glass roof ;(


    Not sure how it happened, but I think it might have been preheating the car on a frosty morning and/or the kids on the street hit it with a ball and/or the car has nearly 250,000kms on the clock so just wear and tear.


    I'm happy to stick a bit of super glue or sellotape on it if that would stop it getting worse!


    The sunroof is also broken, and to fix that, it seems then need to replace both glass panels in the roof, (for €3,500 😫) so a temp fix for now would do.


    Thanks for any tips!



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    That’s not a pre heat crack. That’s impact damage IMO.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,263 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    My mrs advises that epoxy resin would work well as a temp fix. Finally, the one cross over between car enthusiast and artist!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭BigAl81


    Car insurance time here again.


    Last year was €508 with 123.ie.


    123.ie offered me €601 this year to auto renew.


    The car is a 2016 Tesla Model S90D. Some other quotes I got were...


    Entering my details into 123.ie website as a new customer €678


    An Post €675


    AA €1,100


    Chill.ie wsa €900 with AIG. The next best from Chill was €1,200 with Axa!


    Bonkers.ie and its4women.ie and Aviva would not provide a quote online at all!


    I saw a few people with Model Y's saying their insurance was going up a lot, so just posting this here from the Model S side of things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,771 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Yeah mine (2017 Model S) went up from €497 to €555 this year. Couldn't be bothered shopping around to get a better quote, but if next year is also +10%, I probably will.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭BigAl81


    Hi,


    Got an email for a recall on my 2016 Model S....



    Tesla has decided to proactively recall certain Model S vehicles produced between 2014 and 2021 for inspection of the frunk's secondary isofix.

    Our records indicate that your vehicle may be affected. On impacted vehicles, the isofix assembly may be positioned too far back, preventing the secondary isofix from properly engaging the frunk striker. If the frunk is inadvertently released while driving and the secondary isofix is not engaged, the frunk may open without warning and obstruct the driver's visibility.

    If the frunk is inadvertently released, the driver will receive an alert on the user interface. We are not aware of any crashes or injuries relating to this issue.

    Please schedule a service appointment. At your appointment, Tesla Service will inspect your vehicle and perform any necessary repairs, free of charge.

    We apologise for this inconvenience.  



    I've never had the frunk come open while driving, but I've gotten a message a few times after closing the frunk that the car isn't sure if it's closed or not, and I have to get out and re-close it, so hopefully this recall fixes that.


    Not bad I guess to get a free repair on a nearly 8 year old car with almost 250,000kms on the clock!

    Al.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,771 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Yeah I had that done about 3-4 years ago on my old Model S iirc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,263 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Faulty Frunk? Clearly a dangerous car and you should sell it forthwith!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,771 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I know an interested buyer, based in Wexford, he'll give €15k for it 😁

    Did you spot this BTW, also a facelift 90D - ex taxi - 450k miles (725k km) your man bought it for £8.9k 😶





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,263 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Yes I follow that channel and saw the video. I love seeing first perspective EV videos, from petrolhead channels on YT.

    I wonder if that car is on its original battery. It's roughly the same age as "my" one. Despite people's initial observations when Tesla swapped to the 90 from the 85, the 90 has actually proven to hold up very well to high miles. I think there is a steep initial degradation but once that happens it stays stable.

    I think it's a remarkable case that a car such as that has done so many miles and the non drivetrain parts have held up so well. The facelift cars (2016.5 onwards) are leaps and bounds ahead of the prefacelift in terms of interior quality IMO.

    PS: FK brexit for ruining all the potential bargains!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,771 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Quite possibly is the original battery. It's a facelift car. The previous problems with batteries (in the pre-facelift) were nearly always down to water ingress over time, nothing to do with the quality / longevity of the battery cells themselves

    As Brexit ruining things - that is relative. If you bought that EV over there for £8.9k (€10.4k) you can have it landed for zero VRT and roughly just €1k import duty and €2.4k VAT, with costs of flight / ferry totally a bit over €14k. Still an utter bargain. I guess that Model S last week here in Ireland that still needed a bit of suspension work, sold for around the €17k mark

    These cars are still the daddy of all EVs and at those prices, while you need to be a bit brave, and either have deep pockets in case something with motor or battery goes wrong out of warranty. Or know an indy that can sort it. But they are an awful lot of car and performance for the money.

    And far cheaper to buy and far less risky compared to performance saloons like BMW M5 or Mercedes E63 AMG, etc. or exotic supercars



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,263 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Actually, you're right. Especially at the lower end of the market. There are plenty of model S for below 20k STG and quite a few below 15k. Goes to show, we've got a bit to go down yet here as there are a few S (and X) listed on DD and carzone for months not selling.

    I never worked out the import post brexit but at 10-15k it's actually doable, which is incredible really, shows how overpriced cars are here.

    (I'd still prefer that beautiful blue e61 m5 ... but that's another story!)

    EDIT: Look at this for instance, facelift car with the CCS and MCU2 updates. 17k, when the closest on DD is 40k

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403187710628?advertising-location=at_cars&atmobcid=soc5&fromsra&make=Tesla&model=Model%20S&sort=price-asc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,771 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Have you driven an E60 M5 recently? After you owned the 90D? I'd say you will be unpleasantly surprised if you did. I drove one many years ago, before I'd ever driven an EV. It was fast when picked up a bit, but the 90D would be much quicker away from the lights. And effortless. The M5 (in my case E63 M6) V10 racing engine sounded glorious and revved to 8.5k rpm. But the robotised manual transmisson was pretty brutal and would now feel very ancient

    I suppose it is rose tinted glasses that we have. And not about EVs!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,263 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    No, but I did drive two cars that I had owned previously that I thought were rocketships, an e60 535d and a z32 300zx. They both still had the charm and the engine notes etc but they had lost the rocketship feeling - and that was only vs a standard non performance model S.

    I think an e60/1 has reached the stage where it's no longer expected to be the fastest out there but it's about the theatre. That v10 in a regular family car (as regular as a bmw m car can be anyway) is simply phenomenal and will never happen again. That, the phaeton w12, and the Q7 v12 TDI are on my bucket list of one off engine car combination wants.

    The e60 is like the w210 v6 I bought last month. It's not the best at anything anymore but the theatre of driving it reminds me of a better era.

    If they did finance on the new S and X here I'd already be in one. It was a flat no, even with 30-40% down on my side. The S, no matter what variant, is the daddy of them all really in the EV world and it's very difficult to make a case against one. Even now. Why would you spend 40k on an ID or a model 3 when you could have a 3-4 year old model S raven for the same money?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,771 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Same old, same old. Back pretty much exactly 20 years ago, everybody told me I was crazy buying a 7 year old BMW 735i V8 while for the same money I could have got a 3 year old Toyota Corolla 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭Ranleth


    Sorry, not sure how I missed your question.

    Yes, I purchased. Delighted so far. Lovely to drive and loads of power if needed. I was never a fan of purchasing a new car so happy get something slightly older that has done the majority of its devaluing (hopefully)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭BigAl81


    My 2016 Tesla model S 90D has just passed 250,000 kilometers, AMA!!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,771 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Nice one, congrats!

    I know it's a facelift model. And I think Tesla got the battery compartment sealing sorted by then. The motors were sorted a while before then. So I presume it's still on the original battery and motor? I guess as it is a 161 car (iirc), then the battery / drivetrain warranty is coming to or has already come to the end?

    If you don't mind me asking, you were at some point thinking of selling. What are your plans with it now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,263 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Ending next month. @BigAl81 I'd get in for a service now before battery warranty ends and document any possible issues now and get them looked at under warranty (unless everything is running fine of course)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,771 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    @BigAl81 suggests an AMA and then disappears 😂



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,205 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    control arms are likely, check out Bjorns video on all the work he got done on his (albeit older) S when he got it back last year, some very good videos on what goes wrong and what Tesla covers under unpublished warranty.

    As usual with Telsa local inventory of parts will be the issue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,771 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    His is an early pre-facelift performance though, now 11 years old and what, about 400k km?

    Very different story on the facelift cars, they are hugely more reliable with the main culprits (battery / motor) no longer going wrong anywhere near the rate of the early cars



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,263 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


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    That S has almost nothing in common with the facelift car though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,812 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    If one was potentially in the market for a second hand S but wanted to check and see if the battery has been changed and when that was done, would there be any tell tale signs on the battery pack itself?

    ie is there a serial number or anything like that?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Unless the original owner gave you paperwork.

    Or if you can check the sticker on the battery and it’s later than the registration date.

    Here’s 2 pictures of a 2014 MSP which had a battery replaced under warranty in 2021.

    The first is the original battery and the second is the replacement under warranty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,263 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    If you look under the car on the (irish) driver side, towards the front, you'll see the battery pack sticker.

    If you're looking at an older car, especially an 85, this may be an A or B pack (a capital letter will list the battery revision). I think they got to E with the replacements, that's from memory and I stand to be corrected. If it's on an A or B or C pack it has not been replaced.

    The owner can also show you the service records from their tesla account (not the app but the online account)



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,205 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    As ELM said, turn front wheel fully left and the battery sticker will be visible, there are online battery decoders that will tell you the era but this is not 100% as I've read that when battery packs are reassembled that sometimes Tesla so not replace the sticker.

    An app like scanmytesla will also prove handy as it will give you more detailed battery info like SOH, DC charging, buffer etc, for this you will need a OBD2 converter cable and reader as well as the app itself



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,205 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    oh and Tesla never give any info to new owner on any previous work carried out, you need printouts from previous owners



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,263 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    And the previous owner can even get this after they sold the car. It's on the online account.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,812 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    This is all excellent info lads.

    Thanks very much.

    Next questions:

    What is the real world range in the depths of winter at 120KPH on the motorway of a 75 KWH vs an 85 KWH, presuming that both batteries are the same age?

    When would tesla replace the battery (if its still under the 8 year warranty) if it falls below a certain capacity, or only if it develops a fault?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I had the P85+ and P90DL

    The P90DL would do Belfast and back at 110km/h. About 350km.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,812 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    also what is an E85? Whats the E for?

    P= performance

    D= Dual motor

    85= the size of the battery.

    I think that's correct?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,263 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Yup, correct

    I had an S90D and would be looking to charge after 250km of real world (120 + VAT!) motorway speeds. Probably 270km max range before zero. The 90 and 85 were the same battery, just the 90 unlocked a couple more kwh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,812 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    ah very good elm thanks.

    So the biggest battery pack is the 100?

    Also any idea on the "E"? Executive? (i think there was a version with a rear arm rest instead of a third rear middle seat?)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,263 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I think the E is superfluous, some of the earlier cars had E to donate non P , but this wasnt standard.

    (Ignore that 4 seat version, the seats don't fold, it's awful!)
    The biggest battery pack is the 100, of t he "number cars", then you get to the Raven and the refresh "Standard Range" and "long range" cars



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    E is just the basic terminology.
    E75 would be the 75kwh pack in RWD.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,771 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Or an older pack! The battery in my last Model S (142 reg) was replaced in late 2020. The new sticker indicated that the "new" battery was a refurbished one from a 2013 car 😂 It now has about 240k km on the clock and still happily driving around near me with its 11 year old battery. You can look up battery degradation curves for early Teslas and the most typical degradation is around 10-15% for a 10 year old car

    @tom1ie - what is your budget? The facelift cars are relatively cheap now and will give you a lot more peace of mind about the battery. It is not that the battery cells themselves went faulty in the early cars, it is almost always that water made its way into the pack, causing problems. This no longer happened in facelift cars.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,205 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I think you are assuming the 85 Model S has a 85kWh battery, it does not and this is a common misconception, same with all the Model S and X which is (presumably/maybe) why they just relabelled them LR etc a few years back.

    Not only does the S 85 not have a 85kWh battery but the buffer varies depending on the battery pack and age.

    A 2015 Model S would have around 72kWh available for use with a very similar range to last years 60kWh Model 3 RWD (available capacity of 57.5kWh)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,812 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Hi unkel, my overall budget is approx 20k.
    I think the S seems to be the daddy of EVs when it comes to range and comfort on motorway miles.
    I also have three kids to get into a car so I reckon the S is close enough in size to my insignia I have at the minute (s being bigger I reckon?)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,812 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Absolutely correct that it was I was assuming 😂😂.
    Right so the only real way of finding out the state of the battery and the useable amount is to use one of the dongles I see people mentioning about to interrogate the battery?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,771 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    That's a decent budget that should see you into a good Model S, but I don't think it will stretch to a facelift one. Personally if I went to see one, I wouldn't bother with any dongles with battery health apps. Just ask to take it on a long enough test drive, you will see by the drop in range what the real range roughly is (and thus what the battery health is like). But that is easy for me to say, I've driven EVs for many years now

    The Model S is at least one size bigger than your Insignia. It's bigger than a BMW 7-series or Mercedes S-class of the same era. Big car.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭pah


    I'm going to guess your looking at the red 2014 E85 for 19k?

    Tempted by it myself, spoke briefly with the seller. For something that he's finding difficult to sell he wasn't much of a sales man. Didn't volunteer any info relating to potential work done, battery, door handles etc. maybe he doesn't know. He had it up for 22,900 back in December and it's dropped a bit every now and again since. I suspect it's the one sold by Merlin auctions for 20,300 last November. Might be worth a punt but the early models had some issues and I think the fear of a massive bill is just to much for me personally.



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