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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭Annd9


    Genuine question , did most people leave the march when it reached the top of O'Connell street ?

    If you believe there are 10,000 people there fair play to you, but you are only kidding yourself .



  • Registered Users Posts: 186 ✭✭engineerws


    After a lot of time spent reading this thread, I think a quota is the solution.

    We're in a position where the far left refuse to consider any concerns and attack anyone who might be upset in any way as far right. Then we have a position here that I don't see in real life yet where Islamophobia and sectarianism is becoming acceptable.

    A quota of 15,000 per year would probably be workable. Assuming 50% are non genuine, that would mean processing 30,000 per year. That could be 15,000 per half year with people told to return the next half. I could imagine a huge surge in January/ July but a significantly lower likelihood of people rough sleeping in a queue. Who wants to queue for five months.

    That 15,000 would include whatever family might be replicated by a refugee or former refugee too.

    If there were exceptional circumstances such as Ukraine, a referendum would be required to increase the number for one year maximum

    Whatever legislation needs to be changed, do it and move on.

    I was away for a weekend. This has been dominating the national conversation too long and is toxic. The above is a workable non racist solution.

    In tandem, housing needs to be sorted. End of



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Afaik irish citizens are free to walk in any peaceful protest march. Organisers are not the gardai so how do you suggest they 'do not allow them to join'? Also, how do you propose to stop people speaking? Protesters may not like far left or far right supporters at their gathering but they can't stop them being there, that's for the gardai to police.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭ooter


    Yes that is correct but if you don't believe me take a look at the report on the VM news at 5:30 yesterday, at the end of the piece they 100% said

    "those who are not provided with accommodation and are eligible will receive a temporary increase of €75 to their daily expense allowance."

    If they're getting an increase they're already getting the €113.80 as they've not been provided with accommodation. As far back as January I can remember hearing on the news that adult male IP applicants were being given a tent and €113.80 a week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Yes, paid for from general taxation and some of is paid that along with the cost of providing ourselves with potable water, so twice.

    All the advantages you state of living rurally are either offset by other cost or are bought and paid for.

    Agree about gardai forcing meters on people. That was unnecessary and stupid waste and abuse.

    Agree about the dysfunctional scam that is IW.

    Anyway, this is off topic, - I completely agree with your assessment of this (far far more serious) issue facing our people.

    We need to band together because this negatively impacts every single one of us bar the few who are becoming fabulously rich from it.

    Newstalk reporting this morning from the canal camp, handpicked the responses of passers-by to only reflect pity for the Illegals and anger at their location. Nobody apparently questioned why they are here.

    Lockstep from the MSM. They are either being paid or terrified of gov.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,926 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    There will be gardai there, they can make it clear to them that the far right activists are not part of the official protest and they can be separated by distance, or a garda line, if required.

    If you don't want them speaking, you don't let them, organisers are in charge of the speakers at these events



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    Whatever about the protest on government policy; attendance at the “counter protest” was very poor and it’s disgusting to see a platform given to people with such a far left agenda also.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭mrslancaster




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    The Gardai are not going to act as personal bouncers for the organisers



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,822 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    They get €33.80 a week so a temporary increase of €75 brings them to €113.80 a week.

    Yes it's been like that for months, but as soon as they have accommodation, they payment drops back down to €33.80 a week.

    It's only being mentioned again because of all the tents. If they house everyone and a few weeks later more tents appear, they will issue the same statement. Anyone not housed will get a €75 weekly increase. It's not another €75 on top of the €75 mentioned recently on top of the €75 from January etc....



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,926 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Gardai work with organisers of protest marches every week. In fact, they wouldn't be having a protest at all, unless Gardai facilitated it.

    Post edited by suvigirl on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    There’s a big difference between working with and acting as bodyguards and forcibly removing people as you suggest



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    The increase in the allowance is only going to encourage more of them to stay on the streets,and with the warmer weather coming in even the ones who are in the official site's will leave just to get the extra allowance, but it won't be enough to keep them in designer gear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭Will0483


    There's literally no way to know that yet. Even if they had Irish levels of criminality which they don't, you'd expect there to be some serious criminals in a random selection of 70 guys of that age. Wishful thinking from the left has gotten us to this mess so the same hare-brained nonsense won't get us out of it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    It doesn’t matter whether the protest was attended by 1000 or 10000 people. It doesn’t change the fact that a solution is needed urgently. The plan can’t be to just keep buying hotels and derelict properties all over the country



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,133 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    the whole problem now is that genuine refugees and genuine asylum seekers are missing out and at a disadvantage because of those you come as financial migrants . This is the absolute crux of the matter and that which is annoying people .
    The Government has not addressed this nor have they ever made this point while the dogs on the street know this .
    Absolutly should we shelter anyone fleeing persecution or war but my guess is about 90% of those arriving are not in that category .
    The same goes for any nation including Ukrainians , genuine refugees from war torn parts of Ukraine need help those arriving from non affected areas or other countries absolutely not

    This is the point where anyone I know is rightly peed off that the Government did not forsee this and deal with it .



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,926 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    I never suggested gardai would forcibly remove people .

    Organisers of protests don't have to involve far right groups unless they want to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    separated by distance or Garda line. Neither of those things are going to happen



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    full agreed - but with the caveat some sensible limit(set within our means at any given time) needs to be put in place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Ivana bakic out on the canal this morning. Calling for the govt. to accomodate these people asap.

    Nah Ivana. We cant accomodate our own tax paying citizens. So you can shove that idea. Process them quicker and get them out of the country.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,822 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    If they have accommodation and leave it, they can't go claiming the extra allowance as they already have accommodation. Similar for those offered or moved to accommodation, their payment would be cut regardless of wether they use the accommodation or not.

    I would be shocked if there's zero checks in place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,926 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Really? It happens regularly. Organisers indicate to Gardai where the end of the protest is and gardai walk along the back.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,747 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    I hear they're opening an IPAS centre for 1000 in Portobello! ;)



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,184 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    And to think that I've been giving Labour Party candidates votes every time in elections over last decade and more. Defending Labour here on boards against those seeking to destroy their reputation.

    Jaysus wept, how to destroy a party. Forgotten who they represent and why. Can't see Labour Party existing in any meaningful way in the future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    That's exactly what the Govt will do though. Take the easy option and aquire property rather than fixing our broken systems.

    It's depressing that this attitude is so prevalent amongst all parties.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭ooter


    People have been sleeping in tents sporadically along the canal for years, only now ivana is worried about it.

    Not in my back yard says she.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,390 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    A typical dense crowd filling all the space in front of the custom house between the loop line and Talbot bridge only fits 10,000 people. The crowd shown in the picture is therefore less than 1000.

    Crowd sizes are constantly spun depending on who is reporting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 327 ✭✭gerogerigegege


    Nothing you've said will happen.

    Nothing.

    You put your trust in politicians and an under resourced garda force at odds with the government to crack down on people that hurt your feelings.

    This is opposition is unstoppable and will get worse if mass immigration keeps up.

    Taking every "racist" and "nazi" out of the equation will make NO difference.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,564 ✭✭✭baldbear


    I heard Barry Whyte on Newstalk earlier.

    94% increase on asylum seekers here.

    Some tent lads are back from Wicklow. They want to be near the IPO where they were moved from last week and to be in town basically where there are things to do. Pat Kenny laughed at this. He said everyone wants to be near town etc for work but tough luck on those.

    Also, the reason they gave on coming here is our process is extremely slow and they know they will have at least 2 years here before a decision is made.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 484 ✭✭Ozvaldo


    I presume a staycation is out of the cards forever .Haven't stayed in a hotel in Ireland in a very long time no space or getting screwed on the price



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