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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭political analyst




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Very difficult for any regulator to state in a downturn that the ring fenced funding should remain. Just look at funding to TG4 between 2011 and 2018.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    The elephant in the room. Mismanagement of the National Public Service Broadcaster. This thread is almost completely dedicated to that since it started 7 years ago. Are you just being obstinate?


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Then RTÉ can cut costs accordingly, e.g. spending less money on Dancing with the Staff and other crap.

    Surely, you don't believe that scandals like barter accounts and the Toy Show musical will happen in RTÉ ever again, do you?

    Why would the actions that are recommended in the three reports that are to be published this week not enough to prevent such scandals in the future?

    Why are you being so negative?



  • Registered Users Posts: 842 ✭✭✭fplfan12345




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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I don't envisage RTÉ having any Toy Show-style stage productions in the near future or allowing Tubs-type arrangements ever again, to be honest! The outcry is bound to have a chilling effect on any RTÉ person who even thinks of having anything like either of those two things ever again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,343 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Do you envision RTE continuing to pay obscene salaries to its "talent", salaries that go well beyond the market rate?

    The rte mismanagement scandal was multifaceted but a particularly important aspect was how detached management were from market reality. This was simply because they had essentially unlimited public funds at their discretionary disposal, because like the banks they knew they'd be bailed out.

    However it's my view that rte are neither too big nor too important to fail. It should not be rescued. And it certainly shouldn't receive funding in the form floated at the weekend.

    That said, this suggestion did not get much traction at the weekend, so seems likely that they will go with some form of this idea, unless the government collapses in the interim.



  • Registered Users Posts: 842 ✭✭✭fplfan12345


    So what would you call Ray Darcy’s new contract ?

    I think he is still considerably overpaid and it’s a sign that RTE still don’t know what their ‘talent’ is worth.

    Also, until they show they have accountability measures in place they don’t deserve the Irish people to pay 1 cent towards their costs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,835 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Yet another twist to the drama...

    ​The infamous RTÉ barter account had another €650,000 sloshing around in it that nobody knew about.

    At this stage the entire thing (RTE) needs to wound down. After all the hearings, all the coverage and analysis, all the resignations and appointments, all the promises of change - we're still finding more stuff!

    The idea that people are legally forced to pay for this gravy train is even more abhorrent. Micheal Martin's insistence that the license fee be retained (but with an added exchequer top up) is even worse.

    Time to just write it off. It's not worth it, offers very little of real value or that can't be found elsewhere, and it's just another example of an expensive job scheme for the well connected and their offspring.

    https://www.independent.ie/news/hidden-654000-spend-from-barter-account-at-rte-that-went-unreported/a638632610.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,378 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Well said Mr K .. Suggesting that the taxpayer be ‘roped in’ to perpetuate this abuse of public funds for one’s own aggrandisement is the final straw.

    Time for the Govt to take off the gloves and present this lot with reality.

    That of course ,won’t happen.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Revenue will be collecting the household media charge.

    So people with no TV will be penalised for being frugal.

    How will they know if someone has an internet connection? They could be using a phone as a wifi internet hotspot.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    It is not just that. Let's say RTÉ was the best Public Service Broadcaster and all of the scandal blew up. I think many more people would be in someway willing to forgive RTÉ, but RTÉ isn't close to even an alright PSB.

    Can you honestly point to something about RTÉ in the last 7 years where you can say that they did something even one thing that was amazing and punches above their weight? I can't I see a lot of PR spin and mismanagement outside of this scandal, this scandal just highlights how much worse it actual was.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,169 ✭✭✭Tow


    Easy, they just request the data from the internet providers. They are not restricted by GDPR etc etc when it comes to tax compliance.

    The generation currently running Revenue are from an IT background and have have a "unsatisfiable quest for raw data".

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I don't think that Revenue will do this, the fee will be a flat charge for every household regardless of internet use, they already have a database of households.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Not easy…. someone can dump their mobile phone contract and use mobile top-up, still able to use internet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    This is why I always suggested putting a small tax on telecom and on-demand bills.

    E.g 1% tax on your broadband bill, your mobile phone, your netflix, your amazon, your apple TV and so on.

    Though I am less likely to want this stealth tax which aims to remedy the problems that exist in the national broadcaster. 😂


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,169 ✭✭✭Tow


    Revenue will do what ever the Department of Finance tells them to do. The simpler the better. Which is throw a Media Tax on top of the LPT.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    And that will solve the problem of RTÉ :) happy days.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭RoTelly



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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,169 ✭✭✭Tow


    Noel and Bobson will be kept in oyster dinners.

    The big issue is the fake self employments. Forgetting about the backdated PRSI payments, with interest and penalties. The cost of back funding the pension schemes will be astronomical.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,169 ✭✭✭Tow


    The are forgetting that the collection rate will be close to 100% if included in LPT and Revenue doing the collection. Also, there will probably be little on no 'cost' to collect money, unlike An Post who take about 8%.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    AFAIR I think somebody suggest that An Post would be given a subvention from the government on the lose of the collection of the licence fee.

    The issue of An Post is a very political issue, that no one thinks about.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,467 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    How many people have been laid off or took voluntary redundancy since they announced they'd have to lose a quarter of the staff?

    Why was Ray D'Arcy given another million euro contract recently, when he would have done it for 400k?

    Nothing is changing, and nothing will change unless people outside rte make the decisions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    If any have I'd not be surprised that many returned after a year or two.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 533 ✭✭✭dirk_dangler


    Every second ad on the radio is either from a state owned entity or sponsored by the Government of Ireland, i have not bought a news paper in years , i imagine they are similar, this "encourages" the media to support the Government position on many things, or the Ad money will be pulled, very little dissent in Irish media these days from Government policy.

    I suspect the Government are going to bring in a new all encompassing Media license fee, that will dangle this money in front of all the media outlets and keep them on their side with a cut of this Media license fee, bribery by any other name, dark days lie ahead once the Government basically dictates to the media what to report or lose money from the Media license.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    The government / legislator could decide : -

    1. Move NCO and lyric over to the NCH (saving RTÉ €14M)
    2. Move RnaG over to TG4 (saving RTÉ €10M)
    3. Fund the Sound and Vision Fund from the Exchequer (giving RTÉ back €8M per year)
    4. Create a new media fund outside the Licence Fee from the Exchequer, which would not be available to RTÉ or TG4.
    5. Continue to fund RTÉ thought the licence fee


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 533 ✭✭✭dirk_dangler


    6. Declare it bankrupt, void the ridiculous overpaid contracts, relaunch RTE that must cut its cloth according to the Advertising fees it generates, in other words apply real world rules to RTE.

    If the "talent" don't like the new pay at this new RTE, off they go to the real world, there will always be someone to step in and do their job



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,127 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The government aren't going to do a damn thing. They are going to waffle until the summer recess and then some more waffle until the Oct/Nov elections. There will be no reform or recommendations implemented in the meantime. The government are too afraid to grasp the nettle. It took this long for a few reports telling us largely what we already know. Martin is so ineffective.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    They will do what they are doing with health, housing and the refugee crises. They will kick the can down the road and let the next government deal with.



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