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Deposit return scheme (recycling)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,635 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    A very small percentage probably are, but the vast majority aren't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,093 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Well that was stunning. Was just in Aldi and presented two vouchers because I keep forgetting i have them, and they hand one back and say they can't accept it because it was from a different Aldi story. Now I have to try and remember it the next time I am in the other store.

    I have been dutifully recycling for more than two decades, but now I think I will stop. The non return recycling will be going in the landfill bag in the vain hope it can help with keeping the recycling stats low. I wash up the plastic, letting it dry, buy special large transparent bags and then I pay for the priveledge of disposing of it, with it likely then being sold as fuel for a cement kiln. This is going to make my life easier.

    I'll possibly be voting against my own best interests but there is no way I am going to vote for any of the shower who have been making the decisions this last decade or so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,799 ✭✭✭SteM


    Yeah, a ridiculous setup but it has been raised on this thread before tbf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,093 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Only 166 pages of posts, how did I manage to miss that…?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,799 ✭✭✭SteM


    Sorry didn't realise you just dipped in to have a moan, thought you might have been following the thread. Carry on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Some people do have lives you know. Not like me and Elperello.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,228 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    There was a discussion about the numbers so far. In my house I have a some bottles which are still full of liquid. I won't be able to get them included in the numbers until they are empty. Obviously that would be the same for some other people.

    I also confirmed that the machine I used had more tolerance to the degree of damage on containers than I had expected. The worst thing I saw is that some people deliberately damaged the containers beyond what any machine would process. Or took off the film with the barcode from plastic bottles to render them useless for the machines. It must be some sort of protest against the scheme. Unless this was the way they littered before?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,228 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It will be children mostly. Unless the current generation are completely different than when there was a glass bottle deposit. The children used to scour the streets for bottles to get 2 old pence each as I remember. So that will explain why you will get only two in your pickup.

    On the subject of children, Greta has no influence with the ones who litter. But her followers will do the right thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,249 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Got some cans with tiny barcodes, only about half the recommended size and below the minimums by a big margin. And of course they're troublesome. First type of machine I've tried doesn't see the not-officially-a-barcode at all.

    Business Post is reporting that the petrol retail trade body has complained to the European Commission. That won't get anywhere, but it might make them feel better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,040 ✭✭✭jj880


    Interesting development.

    In the correspondence to [Eamon]Ryan and [Ossian]Smyth, [Michael]Griffin[CE of IPRA] said the IPRA has “filed complaints with both the Competition and Consumer Protection Commission (CCPC) in Ireland and with DG Competition at a European level”.


    In a written response to Griffin, Smyth said the scheme “was developed in an open, fair and transparent manner and the provisions in place ensure the legislative framework for the DRS, and the scheme design, are non-discriminatory against any operator or product being placed on the Irish market”.


    He added the department noted the complaints made to the CCPC and to the European Commission and is “happy to engage with the competition authorities in relation to your complaints”.

    Depends what IPRA do after complaining. The Commission may agree but tell them to take a case here then come back to them if they can prove EU legislation has not been adhered to.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,799 ✭✭✭SteM


    The current generation of children are completely different to when there was a glass bottle deposit.

    You'd have to return about 10 undamaged cans to pay for a packet of crisps now. Why would the current generation bother scouring the streets for cans when their parents have a multi pack of crisps in the cupboard they can just dip into?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,228 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    True I suppose. I see them having food fights and leaving half full bottles of Coke behind them. When I was young a mineral as they were called was a precious luxury.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,478 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    IPRA complaint seems to be that it is 'anti-competitive' and is possibly 'a restriction on free movement of good'.

    https://www.businesspost.ie/news/complaint-lodged-with-european-regulator-over-anti-competitive-deposit-return-scheme/

    (Note I can only read first 3 paragraphs of article.)

    Second seems a complete non-runner - having to comply with individual country labelling requirements is already a standard and doesn't constitute a restriction. It also affects all suppliers equally.

    Not sure how they could swing an ani-competitive angle either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,428 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I remember Irish Water very well. I, and hundreds of thousands of others, marched against the farce that was Irish Water and FG's attempts to privatise the system.

    I also remember that there were one or two posters in this thread who were also full on for that particular con job as well. 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Well if you are Heineken, none of your share holders are losing sleep over the cost of adding a logo to your cans.

    If you are a small craft brewer and have had to pay staff overtime so they can apply stickers manually to cans otherwise you are not able to sell them, it's easy to argue the costs are not the same for all suppliers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,228 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    And look at what is ahead of them in 2026. Still I don't think it will be much trouble to them. They often produce special runs and limited editions with bespoke labelling.

    Health warning labels

    To allow businesses sufficient time to prepare for the change, there is a three-year lead-in time. However, from May 2026, all alcohol products will be legally required to display the following:

    • A warning informing the public of the danger of alcohol use
    • A warning outlining the danger of alcohol use when pregnant
    • A warning informing the public of the direct link between alcohol and fatal cancers
    • The quantity in grams of alcohol contained in the container
    • The calorie content in the container
    • Details of an independent website providing public health information in relation to alcohol use.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,341 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And it disproportionately affects smaller markets such as Ireland, where producers are more likely to just not supply to those markets due to the increasing costs.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,478 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Yes agreed. It's clearly an easier task to comply for Heineken than for AJ & Son micro brewers. It costs my small company comparatively more.

    But crucially that has never been seen as a problem as long as the rules and regulations apply to all equally. My theoretical micro-brewery could have the same issue when I have to include an ingredient list in Croatian or Portuguese when I want to export there, or put Drinken Beeren Responsiblaten on German exports. So you may rail against the unfairness of it, but absolutely nothing to suggest it would be a winning case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,040 ✭✭✭jj880


    Full article for whoever wants to read it.

    The Commission will give the IPRA an idea of where they stand. Like I already stated they may tell IPRA to get a judgement in the member state and come back to them. Id imagine the reason for the label change and the botched implementation of the associated scheme could be relevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 907 ✭✭✭bog master


    And if you are Heineken you will be sending big gifts to the Government thanking them for MUP. Price fixing at it's best!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


     My theoretical micro-brewery could have the same issue when I have to include an ingredient list in Croatian or Portuguese when I want to export there

    Yes, but you can decide whether or not to export there. You can plan well in advance and the next time you get cans printed you can add the warnings or the ingredients in Croatian. You are not going to lose money from it.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/b3f2f-minister-smyth-launches-irelands-deposit-return-scheme/ - Publish date November 2022. That is just 18 months ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,192 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    I was caught out the other day getting a lunch "meal deal" of sandwich, crisps and a drink for €6.95 only to be charged €7.10 at the till.

    Is this expected and/or common?

    I would really hate if we are going to be like the US where the displayed price isn't what you actually pay due to various taxes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,310 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The deposit should be displayed on the shelf sticker.

    The full retail price of the meal + 15 cent deposit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,310 ✭✭✭✭elperello




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I want to discuss the DRS with other people who accept the scheme has short comings, not go back and forth constantly with one individual who will defend the scheme at all costs. If you don't want to read my opinions, I advise you to add me to your ignore list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,310 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    OK as I thought you don't want to read what I think about DRS.

    In the interest of harmony let's leave it at that.

    I don't have an ignore list because I find it interferes with the narrative of a thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I've read everything you have said about the DRS. If you want to add more, then I am all ears/eyes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,494 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    This will need to be sorted by 1st June as we are still in transition: raise it with the consumer watch dog

    ask@ccpc.ie

    https://www.ccpc.ie/consumers/consumers-home/contact/

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users Posts: 489 ✭✭Rugbyf565


    I think this tax will have the opposite intended effect. Coca Cola have already taken a massive hit in sales over here https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/irelands-deposit-return-scheme-takes-fizz-out-of-coca-cola-k3nmp85b8

    What will happen is people will start boycotting plastic bottles and it will really hurt the small business owners, the supermarkets and the suppliers. Can see them either lobbying for an end to this deposit return fiasco or viciously price gouging, either way it’s gonna hurt the working class man much more than it would the upper middle class green voter.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 489 ✭✭Rugbyf565


    Yeah I think the government should have invested more money into this to give exactly the kind of kids you’re talking about more incentive to actually search for bottles, it should have incentivised profit making at least for the first 6 months. The government despise the homeless and the working class man and profiteering/entrepreneurship. They wouldn’t dare allow them or anyone to somehow make money off this scheme or fund a jobless lifestyle picking up plastic bottles on the streets (the way it is in Germany currently). You should be given real, universal money for returning your bottles but no they want you to pay tax, own nothing and be happy.



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