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nct fail...no foglights

  • 07-05-2024 7:17pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭dougm1970


    im am going to query this in the morning...

    car failed on having no foglights while having a foglight option on light switch.

    they said i dont have to have foglights, but i do if the switch is there for them.....so either fit foglights or change the lightswitch to one with no foglight option (they said)

    this is a wee 09 corsa d btw.

    now...my issue is...we bought that car in 2016 and its gone through 7 nct's since all in same centre, same centre today.

    maybe this is a new nct requirement.



Comments

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No this is standard for many years, they just missed it before which was luckily for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,258 ✭✭✭deandean


    Well, I have a 2018 car with the same: front foglight switch complete with indicator on the dashboard. But no front foglight fitted it depends on the spec you buy: some bumpers have foglights fitted and some don't. No problem passing its first NCT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭dougm1970


    shoog….even if car was made that way ?

    some corsa d cars came with a blanking plate on bumper instead of foglight...yet all corsa d light switches have foglight section.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭dougm1970


    stock image...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭dougm1970


    all light switches for corsa d....



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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,631 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    I wonder could you just scrape off the symbol for them?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't know, but I had a similar pull up on one of my DOE tests and I killed the switch. That was relatively easy since the switches can be replaced with a blanking plate on an old VW transporter.

    The point is that the rule is - if you have the switch you must have the lights. I suppose it's in case you switch the switch and assume that you have turned on foglights when you haven't - this would be a safety issue and you cannot assume that anyone taking the wheel would know there were no actual lights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭dougm1970


    but why manufacturer the car like that ?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    May not be the rule everywhere, but yes it seems bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭oceanman


    its a scam, from start to finish.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Cost, the switches are bought in bulk but they can reduce the cost of manufacturing by not fitting fog lights.

    Hopefully they didn't cheap out on the wiring loom so fitting front fogs is just a matter of getting the lamps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,129 ✭✭✭kirving


    They really did cheap out on the switched in that Corsa. The power windows switches don't have a double click action, so they've made the automatic function work using a timer instead. Short click and it goes the full way up. Long click, and it' stops when you let go.

    TBH I think it's a reasonable NCT fail, in concept at least. A driver hits a switch, and drives according to the feature they think is active, but it really isn't active at all. Front fog lights is a harsh one, but the same could be applied to DRL's (before they were legally required), Rear fog lights (on an old car which never had them), or say stability control on a car which hasn't actually got it.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Opels are really cheaper out builds. Have my first Astra and really don't like it to work on compared to VW or Toyota. I was shocked to see it had plastic drop links.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,240 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I have had them fail me because the county name in Irish on a numberplate was a bit blurred. Clearly a safety road worthiness issue.

    I have had them fail me because of rust in a 400g steel tube that connects to the two main front chasis rails the engine and suspension are attached to, which they think is a structural strut, when it's just a support bracket for an exhaust heat shield.

    I have had them fail me because of play in a steering rod tie end bearing which neither I or others could find any play in.

    I suspect some testers find the job a bit boring so engineer a bit of amusement where they can.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    Maybe just cover the front Fog light symbol with a piece of black tape?

    Seems a very petty fail to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,919 ✭✭✭Odelay


    What is the scam? Buying or borrowing a car in winter and expecting the fog lights to work when activated in a foggy morning in winter? Or blanking the switch so the driver knows fog lights are not available and can take other actions? Help me out, what is the scam? How do you suggest cars are safe to drive on roads?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭dougm1970


    having to modify a car from way it was manufactured to pass an nct ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭mk7r


    Opel make and fit a switch that doesn't have the front fog button (as do all manufacturers) I have seen this issue quite a bit and usually the car has been in a tip and front bumper replaced with a non fog version or the headlight switch replaced with the wrong one.

    A non fog one does exist



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    They came without the fog light symbol, yours has either had a new switch or had a front end smack and fogs were replaced with blanks



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,973 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    What's the scam here?

    The rules are pretty straight forward, if the switch is there, it must work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Even if it was not designed to work by the manufacturer? That's the scam



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭User1998


    Looks like its already been proven that the car was manufactured with either the correct switch or a bumper that had fog lights. So no scam here it seems, just a dodgy repair job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    The manufacturer fitted a non working switch that isn't the fault of the NCT when they have to check that everything that is fitted works. The scam is manufacturers cheaping out and not fitting the correct switches for what they fit to the car, especially when some cars do come with the correct switches as posted above.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,973 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    The OP did not buy the car new, something happened in the 7 years from 09 to 2016 that caused the car to loose the fog lights or the incorrect switch to be fitted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 Tantalum73


    OP you DONT have to have the lamp units fitted if the switch is in place , thats the current ruling on them

    What has happened over the past few years is constant rule changing regarding front foglamps , this has led to a lot of confusion .



  • Posts: 0 Axl Salty Zenith


    Are you fully sure of that? Just because you found a picture of a switch on Google doesn’t mean it’s fact.

    Otherwise your post is not very kind as you are insinuating the OPs car was crashed which may not be the case at all. After all you do have a pattern of posting mistrusts. Think before you post!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭creedp


    Because It is failing one car on safety grounds for not having front fog lamps in its bumper and passing the next one without. If it really is about safety all cars without fog lights should fail



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    Fact 1: Opel / Vauxhall made a switch without a fog light, the part number is 13249396EA.

    Fact 2: Easily available, ebay UK returns 268 results on that part number.

    Fact 3: This car has the wrong switch or the fogs have been removed.

    Show me the mistrusts above as you put it.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Posts: 0 Axl Salty Zenith


    obviously there is a part number for the part you googled. Silly man


    doesn’t mean your scaremongers of calling the ops car a crashed one is proof…..


    you are gamous over in the electric section for mistruths… and the accommodation one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    I had NCT guy come out saying... Big, big fail.

    I said.. you're a big fail.

    Nothing wrong with the car.. I'm still driving it 5 years later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    So give me a logical explanation beyond the possibilities suggested.

    1. The switch is factory, so the fogs are missing now.
    2. No fogs from the factory, switch was replaced with the wrong one.

    The existence of the no fog light switch was to counter people saying that they were all built like that with a switch that had no function, that is not the case, the switch without the function exists, they wouldn't just decide to fit the fog light one to non fog light cars to save money when the right one exists.

    I have not told any mistruths, funny, I don't buy the EV automatically saves you money, but I managed the accommodation thing.

    Must check the EV threads to see if the bargain one of the lads here bought was there, a 23 reg with 6k on the clock for under £10k, serious depreciation.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭mk7r


    The car definitely came fitted with the correct switch to fog combo from the factory. Someone changed it afterwards, it happens all the time unfortunately



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭dougm1970


    just to add...on the switch...the foglight symbol for front is there...but you cant move switch to it.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ask the NCT guy if you can just paint out the symbol since the switch doesn't engage. This is what is most sensible.

    The guys at the test centre have strict rules to follow and can lose their jobs for deviating - but they are not unreasonable and not been deliberatly awkward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭mk7r


    You don't turn the switch to it, the fog switch is just a button you press.

    100% your car either has fogs originally or else the switch was changed for the incorrect part



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,875 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Just cut of a nice neat small square bit of black duct/insulation tape and stick it over the front fog symbol, 'problem' 100% fixed and will pass the free visual retest.

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    That might of got them a pass in the original test. But as they failed for front fog lights not working ,they have to present to the retest with working front fog lights.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No I don't think they do, they have to be compliant with the rules and there are two ways to achieve that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,875 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Are you seriously suggesting the only way for the OP to pass the NCT now is to source and fit unnecessary front foglights on a 15 year old Corsa?

    They even say in the OP that the tester said 'changing' the switch will pass, 'removing' the front fog symbol will 'change' the switch and 100% will pass the visual retest.

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,998 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    This thread is mad…posters claiming Opel sell cars with a foglight switch with no fog lights…lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭Raichų


    Lads in all fairness how tf can you own a car and not know if it has fog lights? 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,558 ✭✭✭CyberGhost


    Had a similar issue before with my K11 Micra. It was failed because as I recall it had both, front, and rear fog lights on the same stalk. Both were present on the car and would come on, but there was no indicator light bulb for the rear fog light on the dashboard.

    I checked and apparently it was like that from factory, that's just how it was manufactured. There was no wiring for the bulb. Apparently at the time if both, the front, and the rear fog switches were on the same stalk, there was no requirement to include the indicator for the rear one. The guy at the NCT did not know that.



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