Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

How come we can't get some of our own voluntarily life-long unemployed to clean the toilets? How come we don't have enough Irish people to fill the highly skilled roles? Could it be that our successive governments have failed us in some way? Poor planning, poor social policy, incompetence, laziness, greed, dishonesty, nepotism ……….

I don't think the average Irish person ever had an issue with a moderate/proportionate number of foreigners coming here to work if the labour was needed. But that's not what we're seeing now. We're seeing something else entirely and I believe you know that.

Roderic has been very quite over the past 2 weeks, not a peep

You think life long unemployed people are employable in any way, have you ever met any? Anyway there aren't many were almost at full employment. We can't fill all the roles as we don't have enough graduates to keep up with available roles.

I was responding to someone pointing out that foreign people are buying housing here now, obviously those people are working.

Where is Russia flying planes from?? Sounds like a crazy story

I'm not entirely sure about the "nailing it" bit here, at least from the chosen quote.

In the first para, he is doing little more than describing a problem shared across the developed world whereby the protocols in place end up allowing asylum seekers to remain, regardless of the outcome of their application. I don't think anyone particularly disputes this. It's how you actually remove people which is more problematic.

To his point around borders — sure — there are people who think borders are bad. But they aren't really the body in power, nor do I imagine they ever really will be. The world is divided along borders and nation states and no parties with sizeable support are really pushing to change this.

As for his point around people thinking migration is a human right. Again there might be, but it sounds to me like he is ignoring the fact that (whether people see it as a human right or not), almost everyone in the developed world — left and right — at least desires to have the option and relative freedom to move abroad for what they perceive to be a better life. The option to migrate is desired by everyone — and therefore the existence of migration is perpetuated by everybody.

From the Middle East, with migrants from mostly Iraq but also Afghanistan and Syria.

The difference being those asylum seekers in less affluent areas are in accommodation of sorts .

You are not surely comparing like for like when you talk about an encampment in Mount St or now on the Canal ? No running water or sanitary facilities except the canal itself !

As I pointed out to you Ivana and others IN THAT AREA have pointed to the empty Baggott St Hospital which has running water and toilet facilities AND is not in Coolock or Finglas .

But instead you are trying to say that those people living around that area are somehow racist for wanting the very local hospital to be used to house these people ?

The community engagement team, like what is any of that even about?

We're going to unceremoniously dump some large amount of people in your small town that doesn't have infrastructure. Is that okay, now that we've communicated that to you?

No, it doesn't make any difference in the slightest.

Might as well be called the Shooting You In The Face Explanation Unit.

Id hazard a guess thats why all that has shrivelled up and blown away in the wind.

Where did I say the locals were racist for wanting to use Baggot St. Hospital exactly?

Yeah pity he didn't put as much effort into his legislation when he was MoJ .

Maybe he wouldn't have got the boot !

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3 elections. 2011, 2016 & 2020. 1st preference to local FG candidate each time.

Not sure who I'll vote for next time. Most likely whoever I perceive to be the best of a bad lot. FG guy I voted for in the past is not running in next general election. Politics is very fractured now in Ireland. Don't think the average Joe/Jane are well represented. But then, I won't be running for election either so I'll have to choose my poison.

where was Ivana Bacik all the years when homeless men and women were in tents along the canal ? I saw them there at Portobello bridge myself and no one gave a toss then

right well you were just saying the permanently unemployed could be doing some of the low level jobs we have been needing immigrants to do, but you must know yourself that these people are incapable of holding down a job, anyway we're going off course here.