Would you be in favour of Migrant checkpoints in Northern Ireland? - read OP before posting

Even if you see that as a small inconvenience, the thing is that when small inconveniences accumulate, they soon amount to a very big one. But even at that, how can any measure to police migration across the border via checkpoints be effective if it's only presenting "small inconveniences"?

For anyone who is from or knows the border regions well, you need far more than small inconveniences to effectively monitor (and actually apprehend) people crossing the border. The British couldn't do it when South Armagh was the most militarised zone in Western Europe so I really don't see how anyone thinks the Irish state is going to be capable of devising and resourcing an effective system without some really drastic measures that — even if they ever got beyond a PowerPoint presentation to the cabinet, which I doubt — would be vociferously opposed.

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what would stop the IPA people claiming asylum at the hard border anyway?

Absolutely not in favour of border checks. They will be a nuisance and won't achieve anything. As others said, all an asylum seeker would say is that they are seeking asylum and now Ireland cannot send them back to the UK.

To the question of undocumented migrants. This is not something that Ireland can easily solve without the cooperation of other countries. 99.99% of migrants coming to Ireland had either already been processed in the UK or in some other European country. A person cannot just board a plane and come to Ireland without a valid document and a travel visa where needed. They have likely came to the UK on a student/tourist visa. Even a person that came on a boat from Libya, they first land somewhere in Italy, where their fingerprints and other biometrics are recorded. So practically every person coming into Ireland has a documentation trail, and so most of them could have been be identified relatively easily if Ireland has the access to relevant databases.

But can the UK government legally restrict the movement of asylum-seekers to only certain part(s) of the UK? Actually I think you'll find the policy of the UK government is to distribute asylum-seekers fairly through all four administrations, so there'll always be a quota being processed in Northern Ireland.

yes and so let them put them where the like - the general free movement of non eu through the eu is bonkers to me.

I’m not certain this was what was intended when the free movement zone was thought up - obviously the Ireland UK zone is not the same as the Schengen zone but the same applies in my mind.

It makes no difference to me. I live an hour from the border and I only travel south a couple of times a year if my county plays in Croke park. It isn't a place I would visit otherwise. If Casement park is built it would reduce my trips across the border even further.

I find this saga a bit strange, any other time when people complained about refugees they were accused of being hypocritical because of how many Irish people moved abroad in the past 200 years. Now the media is complaining about them? When people were rioting in Dublin last year they were accused of being racist.

Well, whatever about putting checkpoints on the border, I would be strongly in favour of stopping taxis ferrying people claiming asylum from Belfast etc to Dublin. There are enough reports of northern registered taxis dropping carloads of asylum seekers directly to Mount Street or O'Connell St. There are even videos of it on social media.

How to stop this, or at least stop the amount of it, charge the taxi drivers with people trafficking, impound their vehicles, and upon conviction if there is one, destroy their vehicle. Oh, and let their insurance companies know that the vehicle has been impounded as an investigation into suspected people trafficking. The same with minibuses etc. There was a Garda operation that was checking taxis coming from the North, but suprisingly enough, when McEntee came in that stopped. Along with an operation aimed at stopping sham marriages, surprisingly enough a number of prosecutions regarding that were stopped too. Anyway.

Now let's look at who's funding this? It's something that may concern a lot of people on here, Well maybe not the "NGO adjacent," but that may be a matter for a different day. Let's posit a hypothetical scenario, NGO A wants to bring more people in from everywhere and will do everything in it's power to do so. Now if NGO A, or it's representatives, directly paid for these northern registered taxis that would be people trafficking. But if they gave the price of the taxi journey to the asylum seekers wink wink and they paid the taxi with the money given to them by NGO A, or it's representatives, then that may not strictly be people trafficking in the legal sense. I'd definitely find something like this very concerning, but I'm sure nothing like this is happening here. Oh no, heaven forfend! Nothing to see here folks, move along now.

How does the taxi man know if the person is going to claim asylum? Are you saying the taxi man should ask to see a passport of some kind? But what if the guy only has a foreign passport but does have a right to be here legally. Sure why not charge the Ryanair pilots with people trafficking. After all, they are the ones bringing them in to the country. Maybe we could set fire to the planes they use as well.

Another absolutely ludicrous statement. Do people say things through in their heads before they speak or type things out?

If people want to have an open discussion about the issues of refugees and illegal migrants, both sides can't be just coming out with the usual sound bites (close/police the border vs we have to allow everyone one etc...)

It looks like migrant checkpoints should be deployed on Dublin streets first. Tents are everywhere now.

Irish welfare for asylum seekers are very generous. Free accommodation, free food and cash every week. No wonder a lot of people abuse the system