Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

In 1991 there were five workers for every pensioner in Ireland. That ratio is expected to decline to 2.3 workers for every pensioner by 2051. What's the result of that? The Tax Strategy Group has estimated a shortfall in the Social Insurance Fund of €2.3bn in 2030, €13bn by 2050 and up to €21bn by 2070.

the above estimates don’t factor in any declines in things like high paying Tech jobs or a potential short term bounce in corporation tax.

The baggot street hospital is a complete red herring. It is completely derelict inside and would take years to make habitable. Suggesting it is easy because you can be safe in the knowledge that it will never be used.

Not remotely sufficient.

Taking the likes of that hospital, if they have to spend double and take twice as long to make it habitable instead of survivable and exclusively marked for irish citizens, so be it, thats an effort and looks better than nothing and addresses the housing crisis for irish people.

Doing a half arsed job to house a never ending supply of migrants looks dreadful.

Not to mention that doing the worst option also makes the situation even more bleak for irish people stuck in hotels, stuck at home, stuck in ungainful employment etc, as its another stockpiling of eventually yet more people as competition for space, which pushes prices higher on scarcity, and you've just lost another building for nothing, because the tents will never stop accumulating anyway.

Utterly out of control, and that's why if I was making a bet on outcomes, I fail to see how it doesn't result in violence.

Damn.

well you're saying they're doing zilch for irish people, but if i was experiencing hard times and they put me in a hotel, i'd be pretty happy with that as i've had to live in some real sh*tholes over the years.

also i'm not sure they're going to make places exclusive for irish citizens, not really fair on non irish who have lived here for years paying taxes, those people are entitled to go on social housing lists too and you'll find plenty of foreign people on social housing lists as they do many of the low paid jobs these days.

They just said on drive time that one of the recent arrivals they spoke to said they came in from Cherbourg in a container.

Look, you might not like the truth of the matter, but surely you see what's coming. It has nothing to do with me, or you, and it's nothing personal nor is it predicated on opinion.

Ask yourself this, in a years time, do you expect,

Smaller marches or bigger?

Fewer migrant camps or more?

Less racial violence or more?

More, cheaper housing, or less, dearer housing?

And so forth.

The reality of the situation is clear and this is going to play out in the most likely manner, not the most desirable manner.

That's all I have to say really, spelling out what everyone else surely must acknowledge to some extent already.

You say nothing can be done, I say that's the exact problem. Nothing to argue about.

It is more suitable than many other places mooted.

Just because you don't like Ivana Bacik does not make what you say true .

@iamwhoiam maybe not .But she has and so have others been suggesting this for a while .

On the subject of homelessness I agree that more attention is now being given to the subject than ever was over the last decade when do many were crying out for decent accommodation

However there are people sleeping rough who for various reasons refuse a bed in a hostel for example.

It would have been nice if the government had done more to give proper accommodation to these people ,like the modular housing being built for asylum seekers .

it would be nice, but the people on the streets were counted at 91 people in dublin a couple of years ago, before this asylum seeker mess. those people would require far more help than just a roof over their heads, basically constant supervision and help, as they are addicts and have severe mental health problems. we are a long way off providing that to anyone, refugees present or not.

Parts are but a good portion has been used by the HSE in recent years .

HSE don't want to do any more with it because the parts that need refurbing are listed.

There is a good chunk ready to be used with more sanitary conditions than the tents on GC and it's near the city

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2024/04/04/former-baggot-street-hospital-on-state-register-for-disposal-says-hse/

Baggot St hospital would be ideal really, in D4 and a few minutes walk from the leafiest part of Dublin, at least it would please all the why aren't they in D4 crowd for a while

Edit 👆... From what I gather it's €113.80 pw if no accommodation is provided..these signs were mentioned on Drivetime there but they didn't mention the top-up amount offered

And then after that would be filled, and the next camp begins growing, what's next?

The Lord mayor of Dublin has just been on drive time and it honestly sounded like a sketch on callan's kicks.

If the tents weren't in ivana's constituency we probably wouldn't be hearing a peep from her.