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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    Prime Time reported €640 million per year for 20k AS received over the previous year.

    So a bit of mathematics would get you to €1bn per year for 30k AS.

    So which is it lads - abolish USC at a cost of €4bn, or take in 120k AS over the next 4 years to live in tents all over the city. Gee i wonder why this country is moving to the right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    I think after Crooksling and Newtownmountkennedy things will probably be done much more secretly.

    They'll probably move people to places in much smaller numbers. It'll be hard to keep a lid on it though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Which 'study' from the Netherlands was this, was it the white nationalist one?

    Post edited by MegamanBoo on


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    How did the Swedish study quantify the contribution of lower paid workers?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,066 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    At least with all the overspending on the new Children's hospital they have something to show for it.... Everything else is a constant drain.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,735 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Will be interesting as the migrants want to be near the IPAS centre and any local Mosque's



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Nah. The available data shows "Reducing immigration will result in business closures, reduced public services and lower incomes."

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Fair enough.

    I can't tell anyone how to stem the tide emo unfortunately .

    But many IPAS could be housed more quickly while getting larger accommodation centres ready.

    It's a quick fix, as I said before or quicker than buying land, getting planning and building accom.

    It is a large building and numbers of new asylum seekers could go through there and from there to the larger centres as they become available.

    (Not to mention the people I was replying to were upset about IPAS being moved to less affluent areas .)

    Older buildings that need repurposing are faster and cheaper than new build for temporary accommodation .

    In this case it (BSH) is already in public ownership and half done .

    And in amongst south city dwellers for a change .

    Larger IPAS accom centres need to be built and quick . We should have had them ever since the war in Ukraine and the surge of refugees from there .

    Faster processing , more countries on safe lists and more attention to deporting those who don't qualify are what is needed to happen ....eh ...two years ago !

    This knee jerk response to every surge and poor planning is pathetic and the reason why we are always running to catch up with this situation.

    Somebody said it further up ...where the hell is RoG ?

    Maybe he is locked away somewhere trying to flesh out the plan he discussed a few months ago ..remember that one ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭Geert von Instetten


    Where does it say that the majority are in employment?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    Roderic has been missing since the referendum.

    He's not unwell as he was in top form at the Green Party Ard Fheis. I think he's just being a coward.

    It's a very odd one.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭dmakc


    The quicker we house these IPAs, the quicker the ones on the canal are replaced with more IPAs.

    The traffickers have an eternal steady flow ready and waiting.

    You can't beat this crisis with virtuousness, hard decisions need to be made.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Exactly, 2 weeks down the line and it will be back to square one, just shows how **** stupid those in charge are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Thats very rude of you…"likes of you... prattling on .".

    You don't deserve consideration tbh after that.

    But as this is a discussion I will reply to clear up some misinformation on your part , if nothing else ..

    Where are you going with the 17+ million ?

    Not medical care standards I hope .

    Is it here ..? Mel Reynolds ,? https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0216/1356935-most-buildings-needing-work-for-ukrainians-unsuitable/

    But even he thinks refurbishing this building would provide 600 hostel spaces and more value than modular housing



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,735 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    This is big business, some of the migrants paying the traffickers €2000 to board a cruise ship so they can get to Ireland..

    It's a big industry supporting criminals like this one: https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/proginfo/2024/20/to-catch-a-scorpion



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Ivana has wanted more AS accommodation in D4 since last year, I wonder how will that go down with her electorate in Dublin south next year, methinks she will be in trouble.

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/bacik-disappointed-six-asylum-seekers-housed-in-dublin-4-out-of-21000-1480349



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Send the young undocumented men to Ukraine to fight fascists, it’s a win win



  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭Fotish


    More accommodation is not the solution. The more accommodation that is supplied ,the more illegal migrants that will turn up to fill it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Think you need to start providing links .

    That statement should be backed up with a proper link otherwise it could be nonsense or something from a biased group ..how do we know if you won't provide a link ?

    And you are asking Megaman to provide links .



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,735 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    You ridicule my mention of the quote of €17 million to bring the building up to standard yet offer not but a single fact to prove me wrong, all of your posts just seem to be prattling on with no actual facts of your own..

    "However, a spokesperson for the Department of Housing confirmed that it was deemed unsuitable for refurbishment.

    "The building has been assessed and the renovation costs have been initially estimated at €17 million, subject to a full feasibility study," the spokesperson said.

    "Such a study would take approximately nine months before work could begin."-Feb23



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    Agree, Yet it seems to be the only answer being proposed scarily.

    Absolute idiots.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭Geert von Instetten


    Oh these were linked previously, I’ve restated them. Entire discussion is worth checking out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,735 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    No one can seem to answer the question as to why all of these male migrants are coming here crossing many EU states to get a small island at the edge of Europe on the Atlantic Ocean, what's the draw?

    And many who come in via the smugglers have no English and no marketable job skills either to pay their own way even if they had a work permit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Then repost if you have them . Or provide the post link.

    Thanks .



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,735 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Shows you how much I read the stuff you type up on here..🙈

    A bit of structure, grammar and reasonable english would help though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,184 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    There are plenty of non nationals who got their papers, got family over and are relaxing on social welfare. Some have set up businesses, taking over areas. Same as everywhere I guess.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭ooter


    I remember watching a programme on rte recently about the priesthood and ardal o'hanlon was walking around a deserted clonliffe college and I couldn't help wonder why the building wasn't being put to better use.

    Could the govt not CPO or use it to house homeless people while it's lying empty?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,057 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Just see that the only public bus, including school buses, YES 1 bus, to Crooksling is even more packed now with school kids having to share a packed bus with a load of male migrants.

    People are too **** nice in Ireland. And the government is just **** all over this charity.

    I wonder what is the **** point of working, paying tax and having kids when it's an absolute **** waste of time. Worried about if we can afford a pet and its vet care, while I'm paying for Ukranian pets.

    It's a real **** joke.

    Michael McNamara calling out a load of failure by the department of Justice in the dail and just getting a blah blah blah response from Simon. And Helen looking like she couldn't care less.

    Load of tents along the canal and the logo is Tresspass. Seriously, are they that tone deaf, that they'd distribute tents with Tresspass on them.

    All of this from 10 minutes on YouTube.

    It's like something Monty Python would dream up or an incredibly bizzare version of Yes Minister.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,381 ✭✭✭prunudo


    i honestly don't know how anyone can defend the current policy. The government are asleep at the wheel. I wouldnt be surprised if it falls before the local and European elections.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    You ridicules me talking about me prattling and Rattling on about it.

    Yet here you are ...

    I posted that link you quote ..because if you read it past the 17 million , you would see that the architect for the Dept of Housing thought it was a great and cost effective idea, that would fund over 600 hostel beds in the city and less expensive or time consuming than building modular housing from scratch !

    It just wasn't quick enough for Ukrainian refugees at the time.

    So it probably will be ditched again instead of rowing forward to create a really good economical accommodation in the city centre.

    This shows the short sightedness of the DoH and lack of joined up thinking of the government departments as a whole .

    This accommodation could have been done in less than 9 months so the present crisis since Christmas could have been averted .

    But that would have meant Darragh O'Brien talking to Stephen Donnelly and including Roderick O' Gorman in the discussions .

    Which they obviously did not do ..party politics in a coalition ?

    We will never have any sense or organisation with this government .

    THEY are the problem here .



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