Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Yes, I saw that. Crazy stuff.

I also read on x that immigrants are seeking asylum in the UK, claiming benefits they are entitled to, then getting the ferry to Northern Ireland, and travelling to Dublin where they lodge a separate claim for asylum and obtain benefits too and then back to UK to sign on and on and on l...

Now there is no evidence that this is taking place, it may be just X hyperbole but we know welfare tourism exists. I wouldn't have any faith in both welfare systems collaborating to mitigate against the risk of double claims, especially when immigrants are ripping up their IDs.

Just another problem that may need to be considered- and yes, I'm well aware that some Irish people are guilty of scams too but as I always say, we have enough of our own idiots to deal with we don't need anymore.

It's on his YouTube channel, Simon went blah blah blah in response. And Helen seemed annoyed that anyone would dare ask a question in an almost empty dail.

Kind of reminded me of this ..

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Oh, I'm not coming back to this thread anymore.

Bye !!!

The taoiseach said earlier to Michael McNamara "I accept your bona fides in raising an issue that is important."

What a strange comment.

Thread running for 1 year with thousands of posts but does it make any difference to govt policy?

Harris goose is cooked over this. His first real challenge and he is handling it abysmally preferring to be playing his state diplomat role on the International stage instead of properly handling an escalating domestic crisis. That's before we get to the ructions in his constituency. The locals and Europeans will finish him.

And tbf, it was not the smartest move he made whatsoever taking up the Taoiseach role at this time. Awful judgement, his eagerness for it says it all about his competency.

It was the easiest leadership race he could have had because the wiser heads didn't want to be near it.

Teetered on the 50% line for three of those six years, with significant confidence intervals to boot. I have a suspicion the figure for 2022 is impacted by visas issued, the number issued to African nationals jumped massively that year. Report’s authors don’t seem to be going all in on the access theory.

Consider adopting policies similar to those used in Denmark.

There's a sort of poetic justice about the timing all the same - It's the chickens heading back for a bit of a roost about now

We're not quite at peak cluster**** yet - it's at about 82% CF just as we're getting into the local/EU elections

By the time the GE comes about, I'd guess we'll be at roughly 93% cluster**** levels. It's difficult to understand the depths of stupidity that exists with these complete morons and their complete moron advisers. The day of reckoning was always going to arrive but the cretins left it to Q3 2023 before realising it was just around the corner and panic set in.

When the Greens insisted that they must be allowed to end the raging fire of direct provision (by turfing a load of petrol soaked, oily rags onto the fire) or they would not support the formation of a Govt in 2020, FFG knew it wouldn't end well deep down but took the 'be grand' approach.

I bolded the 'complete moron advisers' above because that's where I think a lot of the problems lie. Whatever about the politicians being morons, one would think that the advisers would be a bit more in touch/smarter but it seems they're just as thick - Here's a very simple example - Catherine Martin's adviser saw no problem with Catherine hanging RTE's Chair on live TV - That didn't go well in fairness and as sure as there's sh!te in a dog, he's still there on a nice wedge paid for by us

Schadenfreude - it's not as bad as it's made out to be

Agree - The problem is they tend to reward friends, acquaintances and cronies into these roles and not people of proven ability with skills such as critical thinking, negotiation, leadership and policy experience.

Harris is the latest to make these mistakes surrounding himself right off the bat with media people. That tells me all I need to know. Very poor optics.

Same old politics. Irish politics needs a complete revamp and the culture around it needs to change. However the damage I fear has been done.

No it’s not a bar to travelling or to claiming asylum, however it’s absolutely within our international obligations to outright refuse asylum. Gardai share certain information - but it’s limited on account of our opt-outs as shown in my post you replied to.

Helen McEntee in October ‘23;

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2023-10-25/138/

“Any and all criminal convictions are considered when processing an international protection application” - well that’s a lie, we do not check historic criminality, SIS II will inform if there’s an existing warrant from another EU country for the applicant, but if someone has served time in France for sexually predatory behaviour, Germany will refuse them asylum, but Ireland will welcome them, and feed, clothe and house them, and provide medical care and some spending money.

Also Helen;

“Any person being considered for a grant of status (refugee status, subsidiary protection or permission to remain) will have a character and conduct check (including checks for criminality) carried out in respect of them before any such status is conferred on them” - well, again an outright lie, however I imagine that’s due to ignorance or poor advice/advice with an agenda. No existing warrant does not equal no past serious criminality.

In the same debate, Helen says;

“In relation to persons seeking international protection who have committed a crime outside the state, this may or may not be material to their international protection claim.  If a person has committed a serious crime in their country of origin, this can form a basis for having them ‘excluded’ from being declared a refugee or from gaining subsidiary protection status in the State” - right, sounds sensible… but if there’s no checks…

Some links that clarify refusal of asylum - yes anyone can claim, but some can be denied immediately - all keeping within our ‘international obligations’.

https://freemovement.org.uk/briefing-can-criminals-be-denied-refugee-status/ https://asylumineurope.org/reports/country/republic-ireland/detention-asylum-seekers/legal-framework-detention/grounds-detention/

Jp Liz V1 shared this on the Tiktok Taoiseach thread.

AApologies if its has already been shared here.

It’s time someone called out the Geneva convention. It was never intended for a situation like this. With cheap travel and social welfare, the world has changed completely since it was drafted.

The govt, Greens and NGOs have no problem calling out articles in our Constitution which they say are no longer appropriate and were written in and for a different era. Well what’s stopping them calling out “ our international obligations “ arising from the Geneva convention which is no longer fit for purpose.

It’s Groundhog Day, they’re clearing tent city (again) this morning.

Don’t fire them in the skip this time lads, it’s a waste, there’ll be 100 more chancers along next week in need of them.

To paraphrase that famous line from Field of Dreams - if you house them, more will come.

Every couple of weeks or so it’s going to be a game of whack a mole, clear one site before another pops up down the road.

We’re an absolute laughing stock and clearly not serious about addressing the source of the problem. Farce!!!