Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Consider adopting policies similar to those used in Denmark.

There's a sort of poetic justice about the timing all the same - It's the chickens heading back for a bit of a roost about now

We're not quite at peak cluster**** yet - it's at about 82% CF just as we're getting into the local/EU elections

By the time the GE comes about, I'd guess we'll be at roughly 93% cluster**** levels. It's difficult to understand the depths of stupidity that exists with these complete morons and their complete moron advisers. The day of reckoning was always going to arrive but the cretins left it to Q3 2023 before realising it was just around the corner and panic set in.

When the Greens insisted that they must be allowed to end the raging fire of direct provision (by turfing a load of petrol soaked, oily rags onto the fire) or they would not support the formation of a Govt in 2020, FFG knew it wouldn't end well deep down but took the 'be grand' approach.

I bolded the 'complete moron advisers' above because that's where I think a lot of the problems lie. Whatever about the politicians being morons, one would think that the advisers would be a bit more in touch/smarter but it seems they're just as thick - Here's a very simple example - Catherine Martin's adviser saw no problem with Catherine hanging RTE's Chair on live TV - That didn't go well in fairness and as sure as there's sh!te in a dog, he's still there on a nice wedge paid for by us

Schadenfreude - it's not as bad as it's made out to be

Agree - The problem is they tend to reward friends, acquaintances and cronies into these roles and not people of proven ability with skills such as critical thinking, negotiation, leadership and policy experience.

Harris is the latest to make these mistakes surrounding himself right off the bat with media people. That tells me all I need to know. Very poor optics.

Same old politics. Irish politics needs a complete revamp and the culture around it needs to change. However the damage I fear has been done.

No it’s not a bar to travelling or to claiming asylum, however it’s absolutely within our international obligations to outright refuse asylum. Gardai share certain information - but it’s limited on account of our opt-outs as shown in my post you replied to.

Helen McEntee in October ‘23;

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2023-10-25/138/

“Any and all criminal convictions are considered when processing an international protection application” - well that’s a lie, we do not check historic criminality, SIS II will inform if there’s an existing warrant from another EU country for the applicant, but if someone has served time in France for sexually predatory behaviour, Germany will refuse them asylum, but Ireland will welcome them, and feed, clothe and house them, and provide medical care and some spending money.

Also Helen;

“Any person being considered for a grant of status (refugee status, subsidiary protection or permission to remain) will have a character and conduct check (including checks for criminality) carried out in respect of them before any such status is conferred on them” - well, again an outright lie, however I imagine that’s due to ignorance or poor advice/advice with an agenda. No existing warrant does not equal no past serious criminality.

In the same debate, Helen says;

“In relation to persons seeking international protection who have committed a crime outside the state, this may or may not be material to their international protection claim.  If a person has committed a serious crime in their country of origin, this can form a basis for having them ‘excluded’ from being declared a refugee or from gaining subsidiary protection status in the State” - right, sounds sensible… but if there’s no checks…

Some links that clarify refusal of asylum - yes anyone can claim, but some can be denied immediately - all keeping within our ‘international obligations’.

https://freemovement.org.uk/briefing-can-criminals-be-denied-refugee-status/ https://asylumineurope.org/reports/country/republic-ireland/detention-asylum-seekers/legal-framework-detention/grounds-detention/

Jp Liz V1 shared this on the Tiktok Taoiseach thread.

AApologies if its has already been shared here.

It’s time someone called out the Geneva convention. It was never intended for a situation like this. With cheap travel and social welfare, the world has changed completely since it was drafted.

The govt, Greens and NGOs have no problem calling out articles in our Constitution which they say are no longer appropriate and were written in and for a different era. Well what’s stopping them calling out “ our international obligations “ arising from the Geneva convention which is no longer fit for purpose.

It’s Groundhog Day, they’re clearing tent city (again) this morning.

Don’t fire them in the skip this time lads, it’s a waste, there’ll be 100 more chancers along next week in need of them.

To paraphrase that famous line from Field of Dreams - if you house them, more will come.

Every couple of weeks or so it’s going to be a game of whack a mole, clear one site before another pops up down the road.

We’re an absolute laughing stock and clearly not serious about addressing the source of the problem. Farce!!!

Harris is a privileged, insulated individual who has never had any real experience before he entered the political world as Frances Fitzgerald's assistant. As I've said before, he, McEntee and others are an example of Leo's "New FG" and when you think of their competence and ability for the job that's not a compliment. Even Enda "man with two pints" Kenny wasn't as bad!!

Like Leo and Micheal Martin before him, he wanted the top job and he got it regardless of ability. In this case it's because like Brian Cowen, his predecessor ran before the fall.

But don't worry, regardless of elections or protests or the other problems we're already seeing, Harris, Helen and all the rest will be just fine thanks to the salary, benefits, pension plan that we as taxpayers pay for, and the post-domestic politics options of the speaking/lobbying circuit or maybe the EU.

Failing upwards no matter what.

It's not a conspiracy theory to say that this is part of a larger plan to increase the population of the country. It's stated FG policy first mooted by Coveney several years ago now. It's also long since established that our governments are not only happy, but eager to hand over control to others - after regaining Independence they handed it off to the Church who held the country back for decades and abused the population (generally and otherwise) in the process, then when their grip loosened, they handed control to the EU, and even an unelected group like Tony Holohan and NPHET got their turn.

It's thus no wonder that through this mix of incompetence, abdication, and subservience that we now find ourselves overrun with people we haven't a hope of dealing with - some legitimate and deserving, but most apparently chancers trying to get what we have and breaking what limited laws and controls we do have in the process.

It's also no surprise that Harris (the second accidental/default Taoiseach we've had in 15 years) is both incapable of dealing with it, but unmotivated to as well. As I said above, it's stated FG policy and he certainly isn't going to go against our "friends" in Europe or our "obligations" to do so. Nope, he's achieved his goal (regardless of how long it lasts) and that is what matters.

As I said a few days and weeks ago, at this point we're into damage limitation. It's too late now to stop or push back on this resettlement program (what else can it be) and there's no political will to do it anyway. The Government would rather send in our own police force against citizens who dare to speak out against this massive change in their communities.

We may be "rich" as a country - on paper anyway - but we live in a society where the fundamentals of housing, healthcare, childcare, transport, costs of living and just even the prospects of improving your lot have been massively eroded by particularly 15 years of waste, incompetence and cronyism by FG led Governments. The social contract between Government and citizen has been broken. The former have forgotten they serve the latter, and the latter are just cash cows to fund the lifestyles and half-baked "solutions" of the former.

Even though FF ran the country off an economic cliff, it was at the behest of a population who wanted cheap housing and investment, "free" money, and all the other Tiger excesses. Under FG what wasn't nailed down was sold off, our involvement in the EU project"/problems has been further entrenched, and our political leadership has (certainly in my lifetime) never been weaker and the electoral system damaged as a result of now bypassing the results through Confidence and Supply and Coalition.

To be honest, I don't know how we as a country come back from all this. It's not really our country anymore anyway. We're now little more than a minor province of the grand EU experiment. An occasional thorn (thanks to our taxation and FDI policy which has also since been undermined), or "useful idiots" with which to beat the likes of the UK with (how dare they leave the club), but our leaders have sold out our country and our future and that of our children for.... What? Personal benefits and attaboys from our "betters"? Somehow I doubt that our kids and grandkids will thank us for it.

The problems we're seeing are only the beginning unfortunately. We only need to look to other countries in Europe and just next door to see where this path leads. Ireland isn't special or unique and won't be spared the same consequences and outcomes. It's fantasy to think otherwise, but yet we have people here in public life, in NGOs, and even on this thread who insist that the concerns, the evident problems, the consequences are all the product of "far right" influences, racism, xenophobia or whatever other buzz words are trending today.

Meanwhile real people (citizens and natives whose needs should always be first) are left to deal with the fallout of this agenda - but sure who cares about them, right?

Of course they'll be back on the next bus if they're getting €75 reduction in their weekly payment. Weather is mild now, why stay indoors and get paid less?

Post should be pinned, an excellent synopsis of the current situation which will unfortunately come to fruition.

History will not be kind to this gombeen government.

I've shared ESRI studies on IPA workforce participation.

We don't capture data here to allow for your particular measure of contribution, perhaps because it's such so limited and open to misuse by those pursuing a hateful and prejudiced agenda?

I haven't for a minute suggested that IPAs are "unable to do anything else or you think they are beneath anything other than a life of low pay".

You've come up with that all by yourself and I find it quite repulsive.

Misinformation 😂 😂 😂

It's quite clear from the article what actually happened.

It's published in a widely read international newspaper, if there was something inaccurate in the claim that two Irish citizens were deported, McDowell and the dept have had twenty years to correct the record.

And if you search on the UN site and look at the conventions, you will see that different countries would put stipulations in saying that they wouldn’t do this part of it or wouldn’t do that part of it. These stipulations weren’t just added in the 1950s either.

I must try and find the link

Are these charities that are buying all these tents or would it be a state body who has to use the public procurement system?