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Showboat

  • 06-05-2024 10:35am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,402 ✭✭✭


    Was out walking earlier and wandered in around the town. As I was walking past the Showboat I noticed some of the window panes had been smashed so I was able to peer in. I'm surprised how good of a shape it's in still inside.

    What's the story with the place? I barely remember it being open as a pub as I'm not originally from around here but it's closed for years and years now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭azimuth17




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    used to be a great place for the snooker 🎱 back in the 80’s/90’s when every teen wanted to be an Alex Higgins 😀 I wonder are the tables still in there rotting away…?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,402 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Couldn't see that far down but the bar part at the front looked very good inside considering how long it's been closed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭south


    Yes they are, the snooker hall isn't in a great state thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    I heard it was to make way for new apartments



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    I wonder would it be possible to get a hold of one tables prior to the demolition of the whole place…..? I would assume though they are Probably water or bird sh1te damaged at this stage….?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,638 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Anyone see U2 play there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭south


    I was offered a table last year (jokingly) but I'll inquire and get back to you if I get an answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭aziz


    Even though they were only about 60 people at the gig,about 3 thousand Waterford people claimed to have been there and said they were ****



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Cake Man


    Whatever about the snooker tables, I'd say they were 20-30 years old at the time the place closed down so likely would have paid themselves off over the years. Although their book value would be 0 at the time of closure I'd say someone would still have been willing to pay a few bob to take one.

    A few years before they closed they put in 6 nice new American style pool tables in the smaller room just as you came in the main entrance door. If I remember correctly they would've been put in around 2009/2010, given the place closed in 2014 they would have been still relatively new by then a worth a few quid. Did they end up selling them? I'd be surprised if they were left in there to rot.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭aziz


    Heard that boycie was contacted about taking the lot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭Miall108


    No everything is still in the snooker place was just completely left to rot was in there recently myself had a look around the place the pub can be accessed nowadays . American pool room is destroyed tables on their sides, upside down, legs broken and puddles of water on the floor. The double doors into the snooker hall are smashed open too wide open all the time, there’s nothing left in there only the tables, snooker tables are covered in mould, broken glass, furniture, some even have the cloths torn it’s very sad to see. Nothing left in there either cues, balls, score boards everything was stripped from the place it seems. The back part of the pub itself is in a terrible condition too was obviously ruined by the fire there’s holes in the floors kind of have to watch your step, every window, emergency door etc glass smashed in on everything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭Finnbar01


    Why did the showboat close down in the first place. I thought it was a popular water hole?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Is there some connection between pub closures and Waterford Crystal closure?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,820 ✭✭✭dzilla


    I would say there is a connection between Pub Closures and the global recession of that time which hit Waterford hard. There was a lot of other business closed down other than Waterford crystal. I would say AOL closing had an impact on places like the Forum.

    There are other factors at play though

    -smoking ban

    -drink driving attitude changing (thankfully)

    -price of a pint

    -more and more people tend to drink less and socialize elsewhere other than the pub

    -and pub ownership is not attractive i would say



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭Miall108


    That place was doing great business up until the day it closed nothing to do with the fact it wasn’t a thriving business the banks took it as the owners hadn’t filed their accounts in about two or three years at the time and it closed almost over night hence why all the staff at the time staged a sit in protest in the pub for a few weeks. Shame it was just left to rot after. I’m going to try and get in there again at some point to take proper photos and that only took a short video of the snooker hall when I was there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    Id be very very careful walking into an old building in disrepair and after a fire, if there was any asbestos etc in the roofing or ceiling it would be well exposed by now and ready for your lungs, people would be surprised if they realised how much of that stuff is and was actually used in building especially older buildings



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭nomoedoe


    Permission granted to knock the showboat and build apartments

    https://www.eplanning.ie/WaterfordCCC/AppFileRefDetails/23279/0



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,638 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,638 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    very old buildings tend to be very safe. It is 20th cen structures that are bad or what was altered in the 20th. Asbestos was used until 90s.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,466 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    we re in desperate need of residential property, including apartments, due to major changes in societal needs, as we re currently experiencing record levels of relationship breakdowns, hence the need for apartments, so such developments are much welcomed, its a shame its the ultimate end for the pub, but this is now where we re at



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,638 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Due to the obsession with endless growth of national GDP and de facto open borders. I am well aware people will call me insular or nationalistic in a negative way, but fostering slow growth model is arguably far better for the planet and humanity as a whole as well as allowing better services in Waterford. Right now, it is housing at the expense of services.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,466 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    i dont necessarily disagree with the slower growth based ideologies, as its clearly obvious, if we keep 'growing' in the way we re doing it right now, i.e. rapid expansion of consumption of unsustainable consumables etc, and the rapid rise in wealth inequality from these activities, but the reality is, most advanced economies, including ireland, are now experiencing a rise in aging demographics, due to many different factors, but particularly due to this rise in wealth inequality.

    we simply didnt have the kids to maintain long term economic and societal functionality, they only way to counteract this reality and dynamic, is in fact to increase immigration, i.e. to bring the humans in, in order to maintain this long term functionality, we re now starting to see in other countries what happens under such conditions, i.e. economic stagnation, and a rise in serious social dysfunctions. japan is ahead of the game on this one, and are now starting to experience these issues, with a rise on elderly people dying alone, and not being discovered for some time, due to these facts, i.e. theres simply not enough young people to care for their old, is this what you want when you reach this point in life?

    you ll find generally that health care is provided primarily by the young for the old, but under current conditions, we re set to follow countries such as japan, i.e. its very unlikely our health care system will be able to provide adequate care for our citizens, in particular elder care, if we dont pivot now, but the reality is, we re more than likely gonna pivot towards stricter immigration rules, so get ready not to receive adequate care as you age!

    not only do health care systems suffer under such conditions, but so to does the economy itself, as an aging workforce tends towards economic stagnation, reduction in productivity, rising absenteeism in the workforce, due to normal aging issues, and joy joy joy…..

    oh and dont mention other critical old age welfare needs such as pension funds, under such conditions, they also tend to buckle, bend, and in extreme cases, go bust!

    oh housing, maybe the modern establishment approach of 'financialisation', isnt working, and never will!

    so bring it on, this truly could be a situation whereby we all truly are 'in it together', just maybe!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    While I'm sure you will reign in my opinion, NOTHING, NOTHING NOTHING ever stays the same, society changes every few generations, life is ever evolving, and as we get older and grumpier we say oh things have changed so much, it wasnt like that when I was younger, Thats nature life and its demands evolve. The biggest scandal in this day and age is that 1200 per month is the waterfords/Governments idea of cost rental. We all should be in a position to live in our own secure accommodation and a reasonable cost and there quite simply isnt enough supply to meet demand.

    Whats also extremely frustrating as a middle income earner is to see any form of housing work seems to be developed for people on social benefit or in need of social assistance, where as I do not qualify for any assistance to purchase or rent an apartment, IF there was one available but there arent. In fact if you look on the property market there are no new 1 or 2 bed apartments to rent or buy in Waterford



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,466 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    western approach to property is now in a state of collapse, and nobody truly knows what to do about it, and its far more complex than over simplifications such as supply and demand, financialisation of property is a bust, but we re not gonna change this approach any time soon, particularly since theres not gonna be any major change in irish governments for the foreseeable….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    Japans problem is there arent babies being born, as people(the sexes) are mixing much less and therefore having less children which is a huge problem for them, Japan has the highest sales of adult nappies in the world, this is due to them living alot longer thanks to a healthier diet.

    anyway just thought id throw that out there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,466 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …and we re starting to experience a similar agying demographic, so……



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,992 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    One could argue this is mostly due to the laws of capitalism. Ever more ever faster and concentration of wealth. If all that increased productivity and the massive gains actually contributed to society rather than being concentrated on the super rich its quite possible there would be no health or demographic crisis.

    ***

    Showboat used to do a great carvery and the snooker hall was the best and biggest in town. Leon ran the place and 'Horse' worked in the kitchen and carveries were lush and you could get all sorts of trimmings, onion rings, Yorkshire puddings and pepper sauce no end. I dont know any details but I understand it was one of several businesses owned by one family and then inheritance happened and splits between siblings and all sorts of other things?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    The show boat was one of a few properties owned by an absent chineese investor, along with the Grand Hotel in Tramore, I think there were legal issues etc etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,992 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    What I was talking about was before that. The Grand Hotel was owned by the same family.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭Deisedarren


    that’s the Tracey’s Family. Same family still own Tracey’s hotel ( Bridge hotel )



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