Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Forced deportations are a requirement of any fair functioning immigration or asylum system

A forced deportation here is analogous to imprisonment for the committing of a crime.

Imprisonment is hugely expensive last figure I can recall is 100k per prisoner per year but it serves as a deterrent and punishment to the individual and a protection to wider society

The forced removal of the individual maintains the integrity of the greater system. I don't like it, I don't think I'll ever like it, I would fight very hard for peoples freedom of determination but I do understand like imprisonment, forced removals are necessary

I was disappointed to see a well-known shítbag's election promotional material come through my letterbox. These are the sorts that people will start turning to if the government doesn't get its act together.

Yeah I really think this is the culmination of all our issues not being addressed at once. And the Govt are reacting to it in the only way they know how - sticking a bandaid on it and hope it fixes itself. In this case throwing more money at them and moving them to the sticks.

Like we have young people dieing here on hospital trollies, no housing etc. What's going to happen in the winter when our health system will crack with the added burden of our new arrivals.

Everything could literally stop functioning.

Incredible incompetence on display.

Unless there is a serious change in the number of independents running for govt, along with some form of Independent alliance of those candidates in order to form a cohesive govt, I dont think we will see any change in govt formation.

It will likley remain FFG led.

Again — we always come back to the rub here.

What do you do if the country to which you are forcibly deporting this person does not accept them? Whether it's a forced deportation under some revised version of the Dublin protocols to the EU member state through which the deportee travelled to Ireland — or you have definitively ascertained the deportee's origin country (if you can) — what do you do with them if that other country (be it Belgium or Afghanistan) won't accept or otherwise won't engage with you in the process?

So I take it then you would imprison that person (notwithstanding the difficulty involved with imprisoning someone just because some other country wouldn't give us a dig out — so basically the person is being imprisoned on the basis of something they cannot control)? Imprison them for how long? Months? Years? Then where do they go after?

As far as I know it is illegal to make someone stateless under international law. You're one Bagum tried it with the U.K. but she had taken up Syrian citizenship so it didn’t work.

If a country breaks international law, sanction them. Cut off all EU aid. Stop trading with them. Pull out peacekeepers in the region. Etc.

I would second that you are engaged in misinformation

The article is correct and accurate, no Irish citizen was subject of a deportation order

Actually I'm going to call your claim an outright lie.

Only if you had not read the article could it be categorized as misinformation; so it's either an outright lie or misinformation.

If it is the latter that would call into question all references you have posted and that undermines your credibility.

If it is the former then you have proven yourself a liar and not just undermined but destroyed your credibility.

We had a local councillor call by the other day. They were quick to point out that they were a true independent and the only one on current council. There is definitely an awareness that to be an independent in upcoming elections will be an asset in getting votes.

Unless of course your name is Mick Wallace , he can feck off. Freeloading Putin lickarse.

If you deport a two and a four year olds mother in a raid, without informing the father, you are in effect deporting the children.

The article makes it clear these small children were effectively deported and McDowell or the department have not challenged the account.

I'd suggest you take it up with the established media outfit if you have a problem with the content or headline.

I don't like to quote this fella but the craziness has to be highlighted. This is from this morning outside the IPO

Also the absolute state of this. Taking away our amenities and standard of living.

is it possible that bus is collecting applicants from ipa centre's and bringing to Mount st for further meetings or processing. Every morning, in Trudder, empty bus arrives and take some of them away. Then returns later in the day with people on board, whether the same passengers I don't know.

Regarding fencing off the canal, thats ridiculous, closing amenties to locals while protecting these guys and giving in to their every demand.

I don’t know Dublin very well. Where do you think this weekends city camp will be?

3 weeks from tomorrow and it’s the start of the June bank holiday too.

Herbert Park or Sean Moore. Maybe a bit further down the canal.

On the contrary, they know if they sleep rough they will be looked after. In the meantime, normal citizens are treated like ****, have to foot the bill and expected to like it. And worst part, we're called far right for calling this bullshit out.

who's being treated like ****? irish citizens are looked after when homeless too