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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12 Tucker2024


    Lads,

    Has anyone heard or seen Roderic lately.

    Can we set up a where's Roderic poll



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,185 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    i'm not particularly pro-migrant but i'll give this one a shot

    they have contacts here

    we speak english

    they are given food and shelter and an allowance

    they can easily travel here from the UK, and there are probably 100s of 1000s of people in the UK that can legally claim asylum here



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭ooter


    No that's not where I'm on about.

    They shouldn't really be there anyway, ivana said it's inhumane to be sleeping in a tent on morning Ireland this morning.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    I think word of this little goldmine on the periphery of Europe as spread. And of course our own Govt put it out on tweets.

    We avoided this for a long time and I think ultimately EU countries and the UK see Ireland as Geographically a good place to shunt their excess which needs to be done to stem the rise of the far right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,185 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    i don't have the answers but it doesn't end any time soon, there will be 10s of 1000s coming every year with the current rules in place, i was just asking dmakc where he would put them until the rules are changed



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    There is clearly an issue at the moment. Tents around the city clearly not good. Clear the tents, move the campers, put something in place to deter further camping for now to try nip the phenomenon in the bud. Clear further tents, block if necessary until made clear that camping is pointless as tents will be moved. The immediate downside is temporary blocking of a walkway and an eyesore — not great but not the end of life as we know it. If it doesn't work, try something else and graduate the response if it becomes necessary.

    Or I don't know — freak the f**k out and make sure to take the most pessimistic view and complain about any and every measure that doesn't magically fix the world overnight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    I'm sure the EU are working on the reasons why all these male migrants are coming here across many safe countries, and many with little or no English and no marketable job skills or qualifications.



  • Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭Marcos


    You know I was wondering what this post reminded me of, and then I remembered. It was Angela Merkel telling people protesting her opening the borders and allowing anyone who wanted to come into Germany in 2015. People were naturally angry and concerned, and her reaction was something along the lines of "Well, don't think about that. Think how you are so lucky. Go to a museum and look at a picture and don't worry." People then rightly derided her as out of touch; and now I think I've just spotted the Irish equivalent in the wild.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Are they going to fence off every street in the city? Is the governments big plane to deal with it put up fences? That is Mount Street and now the canal fenced off, so if there is camp in the Phoenix Park will they be fencing that off as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭Marcos


    Ah, he's hiding as per usual. Do you notice he's never available for questions? When was the last time you saw him answer any questions from the likes of Michael McNamara or Carol Nolan? If he is interviewed it is just a softball interview where all questions have been vetted beforehand. More often than not, he can't even bring himself to do that, it's a short video that he does before others go on to discuss how great he is.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,274 ✭✭✭emo72


    He was on news at 1. It's safe to let him out to proclaim 200 men taken off street and accommodation found for them. He gets asked a direct question, but he answers something completely different, because that's the prepared script that's made for him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    They're more likely to have contacts in the UK given they're more multi-cultural and have higher levels of immigration there I'd say.

    Migrants are given free Spanish/Italian etc. language courses wherever they land first.

    Your 3rd point is probably more accurate… "They are given…."

    Travelling here from the UK because they fear being deported…



  • Registered Users Posts: 12 Tucker2024


    100%.

    We dont have any Media back bone to question these individuals.

    Roderic needs to be pressed on the issue and what are his thoughts on how this is playing out, we need his guidance now on the matter and it seems he is gone to ground.

    The ship is sinking and I think Rodders has jumped off without his crew



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,185 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    they are more likely to have contacts in the UK, that's why the UK has so many people from different backgrounds living there. as more and more people move to ireland, it will lead to more and more people wanting to move here from their countries/families. there are millions or even billions of people in the world that would move to UK/Ireland tomorrow if they could as we are a paradise compared to most of the world.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    I always thought Roderic was on a solo idealogy driven run. Can't see him standing for election again tbh. He'll head back to work with an NGO.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Yeah you're right there Marcos. I forgot that Germany is now a total sh*thole too and absolutely nobody would ever visit or live there. By every socioeconomic metric, Germany is probably one of the worst places you could ever hope to be born and is absolutely a far worse place to live in its current lefty madness multicultural state than the many monocultural paradises that are found all over the world. Indeed, prior to the present multicultural day, Germany was right up to the 1990s pretty much heaven on earth until migration and asylum seekers destroyed it. Anyone who suggests that perspective can be in any way applied in the context of issues caused there by migrants and refugees is out of touch.

    But hey, the terrible and apocalyptic vista we face in Ireland now will spur the people to action and from the mass of all these complaints on Boards it is obvious that a new wave of people is ready to step forward and fix migration forever. So maybe some of the things happening now might be good in the long run as we will soon see the overthrowing of the Lefties.

    Damn, sorry, that was too positive. We are doomed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭Marcos


    Oh, and for those that were questioning whether there was another tent city in Ringsend, well there is, and in East Wall too! That didn't take long did it?

    This is utterly shambolic, there's no plan and the authorities are scrambling around after being led by the nose by these individuals and their NGO enablers. Who is paying for all these tents that they are being given? The government response is being shown to be in a total mess. Trying to pay them off and then acting surprised when they take the extra money, money that you and I pay in our taxes, and then set up new camps.

    I can tell you something, these are not the headlines that they want coming up to local and European elections. I can't see this ending well at all.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    The tent city problems are getting plenty of attention throughout Europe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Whilst that may be true, and Europe / Ireland is a paradise now, with mass migration of people bringing cultures that are incompatible with European values and democracy then it will be far from the "Paradise" which brought people here..

    Just look at Malmö in Sweden, armed Police, Armoured vehicles, extra Police officers drafted in from surrounding countries.. All to protect the Israeli Eurovision performer.

    Apart from the above, parts of Malmö don't resemble Sweden at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,724 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    We are not Germany.

    We've got 5 million people and a proven inability to deliver adequate infrastructure and services to meet the needs of 5 million.

    But hey ho let's take in the world.

    Meanwhile you have young wans dying on hospital trolleys because of A&E pressure in supposedly one of the wealthiest countries in the world.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,034 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    The Terminal, with Tom Hanks. Good movie.

    Anyone arriving into Dublin airport with no passport should not be left outside the front doors of the airport.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,185 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    so you're going to keep tens of thousands of people at the airport, i'm seeing some holes in your plan



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,280 ✭✭✭twinytwo




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,034 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    It might stop 10s of thousands more arriving.

    Fill an aircraft hangar or 2 with the most basic of beds, provide airline food, and nothing else. See how many more arrive when word spreads.



  • Registered Users Posts: 225 ✭✭Geert von Instetten


    Accommodation centres at ports of entry for asylum seekers from ‘safe’ countries of origin designated for expedited processing would probably serve as a deterrent of sorts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭ooter


    I wouldn't call that a tented village and I certainly wouldn't call it east wall, I've seen the odd tent pitched along that stretch of road over the years. Why you'd want to stay there is beyond me cos there's nothing around it and it's at the side of a dangerous road, cars flying by.



  • Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭GetupyeaBowsie


    Fair enough @Thelonious Monk.. The Public aren't happy (80% concerned with our handle on immigration), they're not given any answer from elected minster and or top civil servants about them very same questions Dmakc asked.
    As I pointed out from a previous post, the same government had this information to prepare and plan for the worst case scenario for over 2 years.

    Now we're here, Pandora's box has truly been opened with some of the minsters, RoG and Helen been found out.
    IMO, many here are pro controlled immigration including me but unfortunately we're tasked with tens of thousands of IPA arriving here for economical reasons and some absolute chancers

    "it doesn't end any time soon"
    So won't A/S or IPA's flooding into the EU , either continue to fail or the EU divides with far-right parties gaining power which is a nightmare scenario for the EU . Our Government have been caught pants down fingers in the ear without any communication of plans to stem the tide to protect our public services, infrastructure and tax pot!




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,185 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    there has been the odd tent in and around the alfie byrne road for a while now, i think we're seeing more of this now because tents are being handed out to non-asylum seeker homeless people now too



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Yeah but see I'm not quite sure why you're telling me this. We don't take in the world. We don't want to take in the world. We don't try to take in the world.

    If we did, Ireland would have a track record of taking in huge numbers of asylum seekers and refugees over the years and there would be millions of refugees flooding in because we want to take in the world. But we don't. Our numbers have been elevated since the Covid travel restrictions globally were ended and the Ukraine War broke out. We are not the only country that has experienced this. We are not the only country to be experiencing difficulty with handling it. The migrant-sceptic UK government has had difficulty with it. The French, with their deportations and other policies to stave off Le Pen, have had difficulty with it. The right wing Italian government, ushered to power with their promises to tackle migration, have had difficulties. The Americans with all their power and might have difficulty dealing with it.

    But yet, despite the clear and obvious global context of these issues, people still persist with this hyperbolic narrative that it all comes down to Ireland and its class of Lefty overlords wanting to take in the world.



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