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2 out of 3 young adults living at home

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    #122
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,081 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122115393#Comment_122115393

    Not Idle. One is futhering their self taught Japanese formally. The other missed out on a NATO contract for a military simulator, despite having one mostly complete, not just a blank proposal. I did find them a job description they agreed was a 100% match for their skill set, apart from the currently serving in the Ukraine military bit. Most things I have read on volunteering is that it doesn't work and is a negative, if anything.



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    #123
    Jim2007
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122115423#Comment_122115423

    It's the Irish way, it's the internet way! Hell, most people won't even be bothered to visit their local TD's clinic and let them know how they feel about things. The funny thing is that it is actually fairly easy to effect change if you do actually do something about it because so few people to talk to their TD that the get a disproportionate amount of representation! If 15 people go into a TD's clinic with the same story he is likely to conclude that he needs to react and if you replicate that over 5 or 6 more TDs and you go t a movement!



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    #124
    Jim2007
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112734#Comment_122112734

    Well if you do you better get far more reliable information that this otherwise you'll be bitterly disappointed because Ireland's effective income tax rate is in the low half of the Europe tables.



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    #125
    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122115423#Comment_122115423

    If you want change, you're going to have to make it happen. In 2024, you've more tools than ever before. Snarky comments aren't going to fix anything.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #126
    Jim2007
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122115233#Comment_122115233

    That is the absolute last thing the country needs! The country need a heavy investment in a nation wide network to encourage a strong movement out of Dublin in order to reduce congestion.



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    #127
    Furze99
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122115486#Comment_122115486

    In theory I agree but in practice it doesn't quite work out that way. Now our 'local' TDs clinics are an hours drive so you wouldn't exactly be popping over on a whim. But I am inclined to use that good old fashioned method of writing a letter. And you know what, I rarely get a reply from any of them. Thing is, if you've giving them a message that things aren't great as regards some matter, it doesn't support their position and goes in the bin. If on other hand, you compliment them, then you might not get a reply but get added to their mailing list and find some extra Christmas cards in your box. Make of that what you will.



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    #128
    Jim2007
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105486#Comment_122105486

    That would be the unelected government that does not represent the views of the people, but somehow manages to get to run the country after all????

    Irish voters will not accept any housing solution that does not include them getting to own a house and furthermore that the value of that house should not decline after they acquire it otherwise they end up in negative equity. And the one thing you can rely on is that politicians will do what gets them elected. So you want that kind of change, then go talk to your neighbours about voting in a party that will result in putting them into negative equity and let us know how it goes.



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    #129
    ToweringPerformance
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122115528#Comment_122115528

    Nope. That's not the future. We need to build higher and smarter combined with proper sustainable transport including an underground. Said it 20 years plus ago and still stands true.



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    #130
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122115528#Comment_122115528

    A nationwide network is useless without proper urban public transport to back it up.

    Dublin and Ireland desperately need the metro, and also investment in Cork Luas etc.

    Better trains to Cork are not going to solve anything,



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    #131
    Furze99
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122115586#Comment_122115586

    True, there's a lot of low rise building between the canals in Dublin. Housing dating back to early 20th century and so on. In other cities a lot of that would have been cleared and regenerated by now. Replaced by more high rise. City planners thought of Dublin as a town for far too long and combine that with strong constitutional property rights and you end up with urban sprawls.



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    #132
    ToweringPerformance
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122115612#Comment_122115612

    Look at our skyline compared to most modern capital cities, is liberty hall still our tallest building and it's not even habitable for goodness sake. Our thinking is so backward.



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    #133
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122115713#Comment_122115713

    It hasn't been the tallest building for quite some time.

    We don't need skyscrapers, however we also shouldn't be building anything less than 7 or 8 stories in the city region. It's the mid-rise density building where we really fall down.



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    #134
    Wanderer78
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    fcuk the young, we dont need them anyway, as we can all work till we drop, ta hell with retiring and getting adequate health care as we age, just as long as property prices keep rising, happy happy days…..



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    #135
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122115568#Comment_122115568

    An hour away could be three miles in some parts of Ireland if you don't drive.

    Anyway, there's an election coming up. They'll be visiting you soon enough.

    Good public transport to the satellite towns, build there and people will happily move out. **** public transport and a 90-minute commute five days a week and they're going to contribute to the crisis in the citier.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #136
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122115852#Comment_122115852

    One of the problems with 2 out of 3 young adults living at home is that it now masks a pre-existing problem — namely, those young adults that have always stayed at home, irrespective of the prevailing economic climate, because they choose not to become a productive member of society i.e. becoming a permanent expense to the state whilst not adding any economic value.

    That cohort is now delighted that more young adults are staying at home because it now normalizes how they have lived / continue to live.

    So whilst we can focus on the many legitimate reasons that more young adults are staying at home, let's not forget that there are many other young adults who refuse to integrate into society because they have effectively been mollycoddled into behaving and acting as immature man-children.



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    #137
    Danzy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122115903#Comment_122115903

    That cohort was always so small that it doesn't matter.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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    #138
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122115903#Comment_122115903

    Think you're trying to shoehorn something in here - these people are nothing to do with the housing crisis.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #139
    Wanderer78
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122115903#Comment_122115903

    …yup our educational, welfare and health systems have a hell of a lot to answer for by continually failing to meet the needs of many, which in turn leads to long term unemployment, addiction and mental health issues, tis a right mess alright….

    funnily enough, some that are referred to 'man-children', in fact show some classic signs of developmental disorders such as 'austim', in which long term unemployment levels are commonly extremely high, some studies showing up to 70-80% of individuals with the disorder!

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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    #140
    ToweringPerformance
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122115807#Comment_122115807

    How's the partial retirement Leo?



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    #141
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122116027#Comment_122116027

    For sure.

    For the most part, young adults will continue to live at home all the while we have a rapidly expanding population — and by "rapidly", I mean on an unsustainable level that means housing can never become sufficiently available. Prices will continue to rise; it's a simple supply-demand relationship.

    As long as that core problem remains unaddressed, this problem will continue to worsen. Though it seems that many people are unwilling to even acknowledge that this is an actual source to the problem, and that they are perfectly happy to wish that problem away.

    I do think that small minority of people who always wish to remain at home must be tackled, but that too is a long-term problem.

    Both need to be tackled, but I simply do not see the political will to address either.



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    #142
    Wanderer78
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122116044#Comment_122116044

    tis feckin great, and with an endless supply of taxpayers money, why didnt i do this sooner….

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122116055#Comment_122116055

    ..jesus would yea stop with the neoclassical nonsense, house prices are largely due to financialisation of our property markets, and thats about it, thats the bloody core problem, its got little or nothing to do with anything else….

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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    #143
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122116027#Comment_122116027

    Autism in generally something someone is born with rather than developing later in life, but you have a point: it's not doing anything to help those who are autistic.

    Man-children is something else - that IS something developed - but again, the situatoin is not helping. That said, some of the biggest man-children I know are those who do live away from home.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #144
    cnocbui
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122115511#Comment_122115511

    I find this low taxation in Ireland a truly amazing feat of financial engineering. I wish I knew how it's done, as none of the major taxation components are on the low side of the average, quite the opposite, usually they are all quite a bit higher.

    Ireland tops the league for the cost of taxing and insuring a car, and is second only to Holland for the cost of buying a new car. https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-costs-in-ireland-are-close-to-highest-in-europe-survey-reveals/26223392.html

    Ireland has the highest death taxes in world

    Third highest CGT rate in EU at 33%, except for ETF’s, which is 41% and where losses can not be offset against gains - *ucking mind blowing. Ireland has some messed up taxation **** like VRT and DIRT, but this one…

    4th highest vat rate in the EU

    taxfoundation.org rates Ireland’s income tax component in it’s index as being the 4th highest in the EU in 2023:

    An overall low taxation rate when so many individual constituents of the whole are so high, seems nothing short of a financial miracle

    Just as well we are so lightly taxed, given…

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2023/06/21/ireland-most-expensive-in-eu-for-consumer-goods-eurostat-finds/



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    #145
    ancapailldorcha
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    Housing isn't going to get fixed until people stop seeing it as a luxury investment and start seeing it as the necessity that it is.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #146
    Furze99
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122115903#Comment_122115903

    I presume you realise that traditionally in Ireland, in particular with larger families that the eldest son tended to inherit the farm whilst the youngest daughter often stayed at home to help parents as they aged. That doesn't quite hold true now but in many households there'd still be an element of it. This comment above is to insult this cohort of people, particularly the carers, with a half baked slur.

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    #147
    cnocbui
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122116416#Comment_122116416

    It's not going to be fixed until councils are banned from buying existing housing stock and are forced to build their own, which would be twice as much housing, or half the cost, given their costs are 50% lower.

    Nor is it going to be fixed while German REITS are allowed to buy existing housing stock, on which they pay no CGT or income tax. Not surprised they like to buy Irish when in Germany they are banned from buying from the market and have to build their own.

    Ireland, the eternal housing mugs.



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    #148
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122116416#Comment_122116416

    Housing isn't going to get fixed until we start building more housing!



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    #149
    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122116529#Comment_122116529

    But what's the point of building more if you're not going to lower prices? If you lower prices, you push a lot of people into negative equity which won't be politically feasible.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #150
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122116551#Comment_122116551

    Building more will lower prices and yes it will push people into negative equity. Ultimately that is the only possible outcome of "fixing" the situation. Mind you there are subtleties with regards what is built, and a greater amount of apartments for example may not impact classic house prices so much.

    For someone who is not planning to move in the near future, negative equity doesn't necessarily even matter all that much. In that respect I agree with you in terms of making people stop viewing it as a commodity.



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    #151
    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122116622#Comment_122116622

    I'm all for housebuilding but there are serious political difficulties. People with capital and those with mortgages are going to bitterly oppose anything that's going to reduce the value of their assets. There is already NIMBY problem with the current levels of housebuilding. Ramping that up is going to cause headaches no TD or councillor wants to deal with.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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