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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭tom23


    it is a **** show and between inneffective government and the constant left defending and shiting out of them to build more houses for these people we are pretty much screwed. Taxpayer as usual will foot the bill for everything.



  • Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭gral6


    it is 30 new tents erected today. It is going to be 3000 new tents erected by the end of months. Whoever sales the tents are gonna make a fortune. Government even less than useless.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    This is breaking society and will destroy communities.

    Is all anyone thinks about in this **** country making coin!!???

    Greedy ****. Go educate yourselves and make coin in an honest way. Not off the back of misery and destroying communities.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,184 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Anyone hear Afghan called Bowat sp? being interviewed on RTE this morning. Apparently spent time in Turkey (until Turkey threatened to send him back), then Austria and across Europe to France, then the UK. The UK were threatening to send him to Rwanda so he hops on a boat to Larne and rocks up in Dublin by bus a week ago. Wants to work as a translator says he.

    Two things arise 1) Bowat etc responds to threats to deport, so clearly that's a good strategy - we need a deport to xyz to stop this carryon and 2) why the hell does Bowat think we need Afghan translators - does he think that we actually want to have loads of Afghans following his trail across to here, that will need translation services?

    This interview was followed by one with Paschal Donohue. I don't know what to say, he's just so out of touch with the common citizen on this matter. Like our Roderic, he essentially said we need loads of Bowats to work here and so carry on boys, the more the merrier. I was getting so annoyed listening to his smug self satisfied prattle that just had to get out. All the classic signs of a party far too long in government. God help any FG candidates in upcoming elections, those listening should have been crying in their cornflakes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,266 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    He was also in Hungary, Bulgaria and Switzerland en route to ROI.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,708 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Whoever is providing these tents should be prosecuted. They know full well what they are doing

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/05/10/asylum-seeker-tents-appear-on-new-section-of-dublins-grand-canal-day-after-clearance/



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭dmakc


    This government is corrupt beyond belief. We're quickly making our way back to the landlord era. The game is well and truly over.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,881 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It sounds like conspiracy brained nonsense, because it is conspiracy brained nonsense which an ounce of critical thinking would make clear.

    If the govt were intent on growing the population (hint: they are not, they planning for what they view as the inevitable growth which is a completely different thing) there are far better, easier and more economically efficient ways of doing it. The relatively small numbers of IP applicants cause a massively outsized hassle and public perception problem and they remain economically unproductive for a long time. The government can certainly be found wanting of competency in certain areas, but this is ridiculous stuff.

    The reason the rational and well thought solutions are not used by the government is because many of them would result in Ireland breaking either domestic or international law.



  • Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭gral6


    it looks like British option with Rwanda works well for them. We can accommodate a lot of tents, no bother



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,040 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    I spy an opportunity to set up a tent-selling business!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Are Denmark breaking the law? Is adding safe countries to the safe country list breaking the law? Is scaling back the welfare increases given to IPAs breaking the law? Would carrying out deportations be breaking the law?

    Eamon Ryan literally said the government want a "much bigger state" as recent as Feb this year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭Ionraice


    So, essentially, the EU should introduce legislation that prevents a failed asylum seeker from applying in another Country...

    Because if whatever his name is is hopping from one Country to another ( and almost undoubtedly availing of some benefits in each country), you can be sure he's not the only one…



  • Registered Users Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Summer2020


    how much would each of those tents cost the tax payer , probably €50 per tent. Which then gets binned when they’re moved on, and the charity hands out replacement tents. This seriously needs to stop. Cut all funding to whatever charity is handing them out as they know exactly what they’re doing. They’re national traitors and are actively working against the will of the government and people



  • Registered Users Posts: 12 Tucker2024


    We are going to cripple ourselves social and economically

    We have no say over it either as all dictated from our EU over lords.

    This will turn a fair mess



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Worse, 94 euro each I think, someone had it here yesterday on the website



  • Registered Users Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Summer2020


    Simon Harris’s tough guy speeches are cringeworthy at this stage. It’s very obvious he’s completely out of his depth



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,193 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    would some tents being pitched make national news in other countries i wonder? it is actually mad that people are going on like we have a new pandemic and we need to shut the country down to deal with this. there are tent cities all over europe it seems, but it doesn't seem to be daily news in spain or belgium etc. guess this is the new normal for us now. how come the other euro countries aren't freaking out the way we are?



  • Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭GetupyeaBowsie


    "God help them"…

    Greedy self serving leches, they're no different to a faceless corporation. They don't serve the best interests for our citizens…


    Amazing the usual posters absolutely defending this mess, for months post after post lecturing us that our housing infrastructure wont be touched. Now we have a TD crying to stop government bids to purchase housing from local folk. This is pure greed, imagine saving for years paying your taxes and insane rent rates to only have your tax paying money outbidding you… And people wonder why right wing parties are gaining popularly.

    For anyone not joining the dots here are either possible government bots or have a specific agenda, just my opinion of course.
    Madness!



  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭Geert von Instetten


    Completely agree, Denmark’s policies of deterrence comply with EU and international law - increased thresholds for protection, reduced processing times, reduced protection time-limits, limited access to the labour market, limited access to welfare, increased use of detention, increased deportation, limited family reunification, all within the law.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,881 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I know nothing about Danish law. Ireland are adding the UK as safe country, but are having to make sure they do it properly as their initial attempts were rebuffed by the courts. We give piss all welfare to IPAs and I'm not sure what having even more destitute and desperate people floating around does to help.

    The problem with deportations, as always, is what happens on the other end. No one is suggesting there should not be more deportations, the govt would love for there to be more. The problems are practical. I am sure there are valid claims of poor performance that could be levelled there also, but thinking it is deliberate is ridiculous.

    Eamon Ryan was referring to his perceived need for a larger public services sector - i.e. more teachers and nurses. To twist that around to claiming he meant deliberately trying to grow the population by any means necessary is some perverse logic.

    This regulation already exists. How effective it is is a whole other question. Unfortunately, mainland European countries are nearly all dealing with this same problem on a far larger scale than we are, so their sympathy for our position is minimal.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    What I find baffling is that these undocumented in some cases people are able to enter the country and until a decision is made on if their stay here can be legally decided are allowed wander the country doing as they wish and some even have the gall to talk about how they aren't getting accomodation.

    As a previous poster said, once they present and seek asylum they should receive an ID and be transported to facility just like Crooksling and unable to leave that area until it is decided whether they are granted asylum or not.

    The processing of applicants would need to be ramped up but just like during the pandemic there are plenty of public servants who could be seconded to the Department if staff resources are an issue



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭dmakc


    If you honestly believe we're giving "piss all" to the IPA's, then the battle is lost for you



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,735 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    So if Germany or Denmark have tent city's popping up all over the city where there wasn't any before then the Irish people should Stfu is it? You come out with some scoot.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    🤣😃🤣🤣

    What a level of commentary we have reached in this thread.

    The usual xenophobiac comments with a dash of sexism now added.

    What is woke in this context, is it an opinion you disagree with?



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,708 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    We are about to give what remains of our sovereignty away. We won't be allowed to decide what countries are safe or not anymore . Brussels will decide for us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,897 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Considering most other EU countries have a bigger safe country list then we do, would that not be a good thing



  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭Geert von Instetten


    Policies of deterrence as practiced in Denmark, Sweden etc. extend beyond increased deportations, the entire asylum system is adjusted in line with the minimum requirement of international obligations.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Augme


    Should we start depriving them of food and water as well?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,061 ✭✭✭Quags


    Just how many tents do these NGO have in stock 😂



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,003 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Even outside the cost being wasted on these tents, they're constantly going on about the environment, surely even on those grounds you'd be like, this is a terrible idea.



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