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Champions Cup 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭thefizz


    Whats the strory with tickets for the final? Can't find any online?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭thefizz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭ersatz


    I have no idea how the headshot on DuPont only merited a yellow. Seemed like the kind of foul red cards are invented for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    2 great semi finals. Hoping for a classic final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,205 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I don't either,he lowered his head to be on the same level as the defender and there was no mitigation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭hold my beer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,770 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I presume Brace viewed DuPont as having pulled back from the ruck as the clearout came in. Warburton was making that point after the game, and I'd have some sympathy for the Northampton player, but definitely think he was massively lucky to only see yellow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭OldRio


    I see there is talk of changing things around yet again. 'Destination semi finals'???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭OldRio


    A link to the article

    https://x.com/willgkelleher/status/1787530982620282998



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Will they ever stop fűcking around with this competition…

    Only the EPCR would sell 115 thousand tickets to two games and think "nah, lets change this".



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,771 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I assume the idea behind it is that the destinations would "bid" for the right to host? Seems like an absurd hope when you spend all your time finding new ways to ruin the competition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭OldRio


    I know TNT are negotiating for the rights. But the idea of moving the semi final to a completely different country would negate the pool stages and screw over the fans.

    Having 50% of the finals in the last 10 years in England is more of an issue IMHO.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,316 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I am not against the destination semi finals as I have always thought that the home advantage teams get in this competition is far too strong.

    This issue pre-dates even the current format.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    It’s a daft idea but probably has little to do with the TV rights.

    TNT Sports are under new ownership and they are under pressure from their new owners, Warner Bros Discovery, to cut costs and this is an expensive enough deal for them in that it requires them to televise every game. No doubt part of the rationale in bringing in FTA partners in recent years was to widen the host broadcaster pool as before 2018 the UK broadcaster was responsible for the lions share of the host broadcast arrangements (except games in France and Italy).

    The December start for Europe these days takes a bit of pressure off having to have a deal done by the start of next season and id still expect it to be TNT if only because Lions and Sanzaar (which they take only whistle to whistle coverage anyway) aside Sky has completely abandoned rugby union as a host broadcaster and Premier doesn’t have the resources to do it. They are probably paying a bit of hardball over the fee - as yesterdays Sunday Times article implied - but I don’t think they’ll pull out.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/article/champions-cup-tnt-sports-stall-tv-deal-rugby-union-vztdk0md7

    (paywalled but nothing in it that hasn’t been said by either me or previous posters).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,770 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    It's a pretty standard thing for most sports to reward the best performing teams with home knock out games. What sport hosts a playoff game in a tournament like the HC at a neutral venue? College basketball is the only one that comes to mind.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,618 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Hurling?

    rugby (top 14 semis)



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,771 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I mean, the HEC used to. The Top14 does.

    The problem with removing the home SFs (and I do understand the argument) is that it removes almost all jeopardy from the group stages, which is limited as it is.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,316 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Not really.

    In football the euro knockout games are 2 legs to avoid making home advantage too influential.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭StormForce13


    It's perfectly acceptable to do destination semi-finals in a one-country domestic comp like Top 14, the FA Cup or the GAA semi finals where travelling arrangements for supporters are reasonably straightforward.

    But doing it in a tournament that covers 7* countries, thousands of miles apart, and with only a few weeks between QF and SF for supporters to make travelling and accommodation arrangements, would seem to me to be a very anti-fan proposal.

    * or more, if a Georgian, Spanish or Portuguese team ever makes it to a semi final.



  • Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭Ribs1234


    the argument being put forward is that it would be EASIER for fans if semi finals are pre ordained. Any suggestions if this is correct?

    Would it be easier if there is a gap between the quarter finals and semi finals? Perhaps play the final the week after the semi final instead (disrupts fewer teams)

    I don’t see 115,000 hotel beds being available in Lisbon for one weekend (I could be very wrong) but perhaps it doesn’t matter whether the “fans” are those that actual supporters or just locals who are interested in a day out

    At least there are some exciting places being mentioned rather than North London



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,771 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yeah, you can plan in advance, but who is going to plan a semi final in advance? At least the final has a novelty factor of it's own. Do you even know which Semi-final your team might end up in?

    And as you say, the destination needs to cater for all the travelling fans, so we're going to end up doing the circuit of London and big French cities all over again.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,618 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    It'd probably be Dubai, New York, Singapore if they could get local fans to buy into it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,770 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Having the final in different and interesting cities is great, bring on the Italian and Portugal trips please, but semis should reflect the teams competing in them and reward the best performances.

    If the HC semis wanted to do destination locations it could work if they did the semis and final back to back weeks, all in one country or city. That way fans could make a trip out of it



  • Administrators Posts: 54,316 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    It doesn't reward the best performances though, it's pretty arbitrary and can also be influenced by the pool draw.

    You can say Leinster topped their pool so deserved to play at home against Northampton. It's fair point.

    But Northampton also topped their pool and their reward was a game against Leinster in Dublin.

    There is no counter-balance to it at all, the home / away thing carrying through every knockout round is too much IMO.

    Toulouse are in a similar boat, home games the whole way through. Last year, Leinster and La Rochelle both had home games the whole way through to the semis, Leinster coincidentally had it in the final too but that's just pure luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Destination semi-finals flat out won't work for rugby and its a mind bogglingly idiotic idea.

    Rugby fans just don't travel in the same numbers as football fans do so the idea that EPCR might even partially fill a stadium in a neutral country on short notice where the flights will likely be quite pricey for a game that's not a final is so short sighted. Add to that that if fans planned to attend a destination final, it is more likely than not that those fans wont want to (or have the ability to) travel for a semi-final game three weeks before-hand on short notice.

    We can argue the merits of the fairness of semi-finals (and I think the current model of earning your home semi-final through the group stages is fine), partially attended semi-finals will look absolutely rotten for the sport.

    Post edited by Exclamation Marc on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Ah that's just not true. Northampton didn't secure enough bonus points to finish ahead of Leinster in the overall standings - everyone knew the deal well ahead of time that you needed to be seeded in the top two to guarantee a home-semi final and Northampton left points out there. If they wanted to secure a home semi-final they would have if they had played better and gotten two more bonus points. There's absolutely no injustice about Leinster and Northampton both topping a pool and one getting a home semi-final.

    And the argument that it's influenced by the pool draw can be said about absolutely any sport so that argument is not a runner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭crisco10


    Seems bonkers to me to be changing the semi final arrangement. We are just seeing the lessons starting to be learned about how the group stage DOES have jeopardy. If Leinster hadn't pushed for that TBP beyond 80 minutes in Welford Road (or indeed didn't beat LAR in LAR), the Semi Final would have been a "home" one for NH. Teams will see this, and in years to come appreciate these small differences, and give the random group stage its reward.


    What's also been lost in this years conversation, is that one of Leinster's games was a away to the reigning champions. So the arbitrary draw that is the group stages didn't exactly work for Leinster this year.

    Post edited by crisco10 on


  • Administrators Posts: 54,316 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    No but it's silly that total points have such a strong influence on your pathway through this competition when two teams in two different groups will play completely different opponents.

    This has been a problem with this competition that long pre-dates the current format.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭OldRio


    It's not a problem at the moment. If some teams decide not to go for every possible point that is their decision.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    anybody having problems with their champions cup final tickets? And unable to get anyresponse from the ticket office



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,771 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Well I don't have mine, but I just assumed they'd arrive at some point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    i got sent the wrong ones and it would easier ring the vatican and talk to the lad in the hat than get through to someone in spurs stadium



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,771 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    hmm….well now I'm mildly concerned. I bought the Golden Tickets months ago and haven't received anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    it was a pair of golden tickets i got as well, got two pairs of tickets for the challenge cup and nothing yet for the Toulouse game



  • Registered Users Posts: 151 ✭✭Inforapenny


    Also purchased tickets (last June) for both the Challenge Cup and Champions Cup, that combo deal.

    Only received tickets for the Challenge Cup, presume they sending out Champions Cup tickets at a later date.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,771 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,076 ✭✭✭✭vienne86


    I bought last summer sometime......nothing has arrived yet.. I suspect they leave it late to reduce touting..?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,488 ✭✭✭✭cson


    I'll have a ticket for both finals available if anyone is looking, block 250 for the Challenge Cup, Block 517 for Champions Cup. Comes out to about €110 after converting from GBP. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Same boat here. Bought a Golden Ticket and nothing yet.

    My e-mail receipt says that all tickets will by sent via e-mail nearer the time of the event.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Challenge Cup tickets came by email today.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭hold my beer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,830 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    I get what you're saying but removing even more jeopardy from the group stages would be tragic. If they want to fix this it needs to come with wholesale changes



  • Registered Users Posts: 242 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    got my tickets for both games now. Email arrived this evening

    And got emailed a pair of tickets for the challenge cup final that i never bought. Maybe a way for the organisers to inflate the attendance?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,771 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I now have Challenge Cup tickets but that's it.

    I suspect if you got extra tickets it is incompetence given everything that is floating around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,582 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    received my challenge cup on Friday

    No sign of champions yet



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    I received mine (champions cup) via email today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,817 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    No sign of mine yet...



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 6,700 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    Bought Saturday tickets in November of last year...tickets arrived today by email



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,283 ✭✭✭techdiver


    Mine arrived today. It's a very underwhelming process from a technological standpoint. No official way to transfer tickets to other members of you party apart from forwarding the email and making sure everyone adds the appropriate ticket to their wallet.



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