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    #110282
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120942#Comment_122120942

    Used as a buffer zone seems more likely. Nowhere near enough to take a city

    All Eyes On Rafah



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    #110283
    yagan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,105 ✭✭✭yagan


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120942#Comment_122120942

    The latest videos suggest they've used up their desert cross buggies and are now mostly on scrambler bikes.



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    #110284
    Polar101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭Polar101


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120942#Comment_122120942

    Most armies don't even have 400 tanks.

    I guess the success of this attack depends on what kind of forces Ukraine has deployed to defend. But it's hard to see Russia taking a big city like Kharkiv with that number of troops.



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    #110285
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Not a good start for the Russians

    https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1788947734923247708

    All Eyes On Rafah



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    #110286
    zerosquared
    Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121145#Comment_122121145

    Word of day: demilitarisation

    https://twitter.com/Heroiam_Slava/status/1788634847914651723



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    #110287
    rogber
    Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭rogber


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120074#Comment_122120074

    Unfortunately a lot of Ukrainians will die too fighting them off and if it goes badly for Russia I expect they will just start the usual tactic of bombing civilian infrastructure in Kharkiv and killing as many civilians as possible as revenge. So many unnecessary deaths because of slow Western support



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    #110288
    zerosquared
    Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121241#Comment_122121241

    Not because Putin started a stupid and unnecessary war? And Russian people sit back and let him??



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    #110289
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,445 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121241#Comment_122121241

    All the blame - all of it - for every death falls on RuZZia. Don't blame the West, or Ukraine; neither started this war. It was Putin and RuZZia.



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    #110290
    zv2
    Registered Users Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭zv2


    Another angle on the bus in St. Petersburg

    Suicide bombing in St. Petersburg,
    A Ukrainian suicide bomber from the Vinnitza region hijacked a bus and led it off a bridge over the Moika.
    location: Bolshaya Morskaya, St. Petersburg
    source: Iacoboni/fontanka.eu

    https://twitter.com/infausto_sleali/status/1788961137955856814

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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    #110291
    rogber
    Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭rogber


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121247#Comment_122121247

    The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

    Of course Russia is to blame for starting the war.

    But every delay in sending weapons leads to more deaths.



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    #110292
    rogber
    Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭rogber


    Suicide bomber sounds extremely implausible, though the Russians might like that explanation.

    More likely a medical emergency involving a driver.



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    #110293
    ToweringPerformance
    Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121241#Comment_122121241

    Absolutely. It's been a stain on the west our pathetic reaction to this cruel invasion



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    #110294
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,445 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121396#Comment_122121396

    Not just for starting it. For continuing to prosecute the war despite enormous losses. Not just starting - spending days/nights/weekends, billions in assets and hundreds of thousands of lives on pursuing the war. RuZZia could've stopped this war long ago. Absolutely no reason they couldn't, just desire to keep prosecuting it.



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    #110295
    zerosquared
    Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121396#Comment_122121396

    that’s like blaming the firefighters for being slow while the arsonist is grinning and pouring more oil in fire

    Worse than that imho as it plays directly into Russian propaganda aims of trying to paint a picture that Ukraine can’t repel the invaders even with help

    It took the whole of 2 minutes of one of them to then pile in and start exploiting your post



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    #110296
    zv2
    Registered Users Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭zv2


    Kharkiv is a distraction?

    https://kyivindependent.com/spokesperson-russias-activity-in-kharkiv-oblast-part-of-psychological-operation-to-divert-ukraines-forces/

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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    #110297
    EltonJohn69
    Registered Users Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121247#Comment_122121247

    if you write a rap song or do some graffiti in protest you end up beaten/molested and thrown in prison for a decade.



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    #110298
    zerosquared
    Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121580#Comment_122121580

    That’s starting to look like a better proposition than ending up decomposing in a ditch somewhere all so a stupid old man gets to cosplay war fantasies



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    #110299
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121538#Comment_122121538

    That's not a great analogy. In such a case, the actions of the arsonist are out of the hands of the firefighters who are there doing their best with one hose. That is the baseline. In the meantime, the neighbors are holding a second hose they happen to have and are arguing whether or not to give it to the firefighters. The amount which burns down before it's all over is directly related to the actions of the neighbors as those actions are the only cause of the difference in the two outcomes.



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    #110300
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,547 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121254#Comment_122121254

    The delay in Western support and the prevarication from the likes of Germany is pathetic and they absolutely deserve blame. Them shrugging their shoulders and saying "well we didn't start it, it's Russia's fault and nothing to do with us" is part of the problem!



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    #110301
    I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct
    Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    That Kharkiv front has only two roads that the russians can use and the Ukrainians have been preparing for months. It will be a bloodbath for them but it's only to try pull the Ukrainians away from the south anyway. There was just 30k russians stations there not 50k according to where I was reading and obviously a good portion of them would be used for support behind the lines.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1788979230426214616



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    #110302
    zerosquared
    Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121664#Comment_122121664

    That’s a good point and European countries deserve to be criticised for dragging their feet and I myself only on the previous page pointed out how Van Der Lein is dragging her feet on handing over seized Russian assets to Ukraine

    And the Americans need to be applauded for their support in the run up and the critical months at start

    However there is an attempt to paint western allies of Ukraine as completely incompetent and incapable of helping which is not true and plays directly into Russian propaganda aims and divide and conquer tactics

    https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

    Instead of uniting and focusing on how to defeat Russia the infighting and petty disagreements give Russians a crack to drive wedges into.

    Putin spent twenty five years turning Russians into docile frogs who got slow boiled with the same tactics of breeding scepticism, apathy and exploiting all sorts of issues to increase his power. We shouldn’t fall for the same imho



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    #110303
    Lirange
    Registered Users Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭Lirange


    It’s interesting that of all the countries in the EU Germany receives the most criticism re: material support to Ukraine. Whilst some of that criticism is warranted I feel it really aptly applies to the western parts of the bloc as a whole. It seems as much about inept communication, internal infighting, & a lack of PR nous within the German government as about substantive questions about commitments. There’s also been dithering in Brussels, Paris, & elsewhere. France has been regarded as the foremost military power in the EU but has been more reticent than Germany. Even when including what they send through the EU mechanism they’ve sent half of what Germany have provided. Somehow the French gov’t has evaded that level of scrutiny. But it seems in the cauldron of geopolitics bold rhetoric & lofty policy visions counterbalance such shortcomings.



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    #110304
    Say my name
    Registered Users Posts: 11,411 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121580#Comment_122121580

    I wonder if we all build effigies of Putin riding a rainbow coloured unicorn and post it online. Could we get Putin to declare war on Ireland?

    It may spread out his forces a bit and allow the Ukrainians to take the Z Russians from the rear.



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    #110305
    zv2
    Registered Users Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭zv2


    Daly and Wallace. Slightly off topic.

    https://twitter.com/normcos/status/1574050678674059264

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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    #110306
    RoyalCelt
    Registered Users Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I just pray the attack on Kharkiv and maybe Sumy accelerates Russia's race to the bottom. Might be a nice boost to the daily destroyed tanks and other armour. It won't be an easy breakthrough for Russia.

    Kind of sad it took this long for Ukraine to be able to target major Russia logistic hubs properly in their own country like Luhansk.

    https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1789027456436802016?t=voMrFgxIJ1MNJdRAJn5Ytw&s=19



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    #110307
    flutered
    Registered Users Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭flutered


    more funding for ukraine

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/us-announces-400-million-military-171534652.html



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    #110308
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 29,365 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122247#Comment_122122247

    So this is the second Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA) from Biden, separate to the €60 billion deal which will take longer to arrive.

    The package includes weapons Ukraine has been asking for, including Patriot missile system munitions, High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMAR) systems and ammunition, Stinger anti-air missiles, 155mm artillery rounds, Bradley Fighting Vehicles, and Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicles (MRAPs), among other equipment.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #110309
    zerosquared
    Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Here is the voting record of these representatives for the constituency of Moscow Central

    Grannies 4 Equality has done a great summary of their votes

    https://twitter.com/grannies4equal/status/1783863489338966424

    Resolution on the sustainable reconstruction & integration of Ukraine into the Euro-Atlantic communityJun 15 2023 · RC-B9-0270/2023

    84% vote in favourDaly & Wallace Abstain

     2 Resolution on the preparation of the EU-Ukraine Summit

    Feb 2, 2023 · RC-B9-0092/202385% in favourDaly & Wallace vote against

    Candidate status of Ukraine, the Republic of Moldova and GeorgiaJun 23, 2022 · RC-B9-0331/2022

    90% in favourDaly & Wallace abstain 

    3 Resolution on the establishment of a tribunal on the crime of aggression against UkraineJan 19, 2023 · RC-B9-0063/2023

    90% in favourDaly & Wallace vote against 

    4 Resolution on one year of Russia’s invasion and war of aggression against UkraineFeb 16, 2023 · RC-B9-0126/2023

    88% in favourDaly & Wallace vote against 

    5 Resolution on Russia’s escalation of its war of aggression against UkraineOct 6, 2022 · RC-B9-0430/2022/REV

    89% in favourDaly & Wallace againstThere are many more similar votes by Wallace & Daly that align with Russian interests on Ukrainecheck here

    6And what about Iran, that brutal genocidal regime?

    Resolution on the latest attacks against women and women’s rights defenders in Iran, and Iran’s arbitrary detention of EU nationalsNov 23, 2023 · RC-B9-0478/202394% in favoutDaly & Wallace abstained 

    7Resolution on Iran, in particular the poisoning of hundreds of schoolgirls

    Mar 16, 2023 · RC-B9-0170/202396% in favourDaly & Wallace abstained

    8The death penalty in IranFeb 17, 2022 · RC-B9-0105/2022

    90% in favourDaly and Wallace against the resolution

    (Resolution was against the Death Penalty in Iran)

    9 Resolution on the case of Ahmadreza Djalali in IranJul 8, 2021 · RC-B9-0382/202197% in favourDaly & Wallace voted against

    10Resolution on Iran, in particular the case of 2012 Sakharov Prize Laureate Nasrin SotoudehDec 17, 2020 · RC-B9-0440/202089% in favourDaly & Wallace voted against

    11Resolution on Iran, notably the situation of women’s rights defenders and imprisoned EU dual national

    Sep 19, 2019 · RC-B9-0089/201992% voted in favourDaly & Wallace voted against 

    12Wallace & Daly use their MEP status to support Bashar al-Assad, butcher of Syria, taking speaking time again & again to deny his warcrimes & to attack the OPCW which found him responsible for chemical weapons attacks. They brazenly wear his flag on their faces in EuropeanParl

    13And their voting record on Syria aligns with the interests of Assad, Putin & IranRecommendation to the Council, the Commission and the EEAS on the situation in SyriaFeb 28, 2024 · A9-0041/202485% in favourWallace and Daly against 

    14Resolution on the Syrian conflict – 10 years after the uprising

    Mar 11, 2021 · RC-B9-0177/202183% in favourWallace & Daly voted against

    (An excellent resolution, after 10 yrs of brutal genocidal repression, ignored by Daly & Wallace on their trips to Assad controlled Syria)

    15 New allegations of Russian interference in the European Parliament, in the upcoming EU elections and the impact on the Union

    85% in favour

    Daly and Wallace voted against 16

    Resolution on repression in Russia, in particular the cases of Vladimir Kara-Murza and Aleksei Navalny

    Apr 20, 2023 · RC-B9-0225/2023 ·

    92% in favour

    Daly and Wallace abstained 

    17 Resolution on repression in Russia, in particular the cases of Vladimir Kara-Murza and Aleksei NavalnyApr 20, 2023 · RC-B9-0225/2023 ·

    92% in favour

    Daly & Wallace abstain

    Vladimir Kara-Murza - Wikipedia

    18 Resolution on the torture and criminal prosecution of Ukrainian minors Tihran Ohannisian and Mykyta Khanhanov by the Russian FederationJun 15, 2023 · RC-B9-0268/2023 ·

    Daly abstainedWallace did not vote

    The two boys were murdered 10 days later 

    https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/RC-9-2023-0092_EN.html



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    #110310
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122272#Comment_122122272

    It's not separate to the 60bil, the 60bil is the total funding. Presidential drawdown comes from current US stocks, so those line items can be delivered right away.

    If, in the case of say Patriot missiles, that the US stocks run low or Ukraine has a sufficient stock of them, contracts (from the same 60bil budget) can go out to Raytheon etc… for X number of missiles delivered over X number of months/years to Ukraine. It's allotted from the 60bil budget so even after the 60bil is depleted they will still be delivered.

    It's how Ukraine was still receiving some AA missiles well after the funding ran out, as they were already paid for. Same for the GLSDB's.



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    #110311
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,786 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122312#Comment_122122312

    Horrible communist pricks.



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