2 out of 3 young adults living at home

maybe using containers, the ones converted into a small house, stacked 2-3 high with gardens , play area, shops etc would be better in a large area but with high density

I have no idea, just throwing out thoughts but a ship with loads of interior cabins might not be great alright

We have a crisis, for a growing population we have very few apartments and no high rise to cater for the population. Thread is about 2 in 3 young people live at home

Yet we are talking about houses, it’s not even like we have a great public transport system

we need high rise apartment and quickly, some people don’t want kids and if they have kids it might be in 15 years time

Also if you provide the proper play area etc nothing wrong with an apartment if you want kids

There are countless numbers of people in their 20s and older who would
kill to be able to rent or buy an apartment except they can't cause we
aren't building enough of them.

That's desperation, not choice. Most people, if they could choose their long term living arrangements wouldn't touch an apartment.

However, what we need if we are going to build higher, are apartments that are fit for living in long term and not more of the dog boxes that were thrown up during the celtic tiger period that existed just so some leech landlord could make a killing renting it out to people in a bind.

Relatively large apartments that are aimed at comfort for families, and not just there for 20/30 something transitory folk who aren't looking to hang around for more than a couple of years and who put up being in a confined space you couldn't swing a cat in.

You see this is a good example of misinformation, the “dog boxes” are in reality not anything of the sort and if you compare standard to Europe, Ireland is a lot bigger and during the Celtic tiger the apartment size was even bigger then it is potentially now

Most of the comment I see form people, maybe not in this case, have never stood or lived in an apartment and just came to this opinion based on pub chat.

I would choose myself to live in a 10 bedroom house with each room en-suite in a nice countryside location, as I can’t afford that is it desperation?
With a rapidly increasing population the answer is apartment, as posted above the people rejecting and complaining about apartments will never live in them and never will step foot in one of them in all probability.

The people that actually want to buy and live in them are been blocked by the people above

excellent example of clonliff road apartments, blocked my Mary Lou living in a lovely house and some lady in Foxrock living in a lovely house. Never mind all the doctors/nurses/student who are desperate for that accommodation, sure why would Mary Lou give a s**t ?

I understand your point. Also these high paid people are coupling up to buy too. So you have single people on normal wages competing not only with couples on high wages, but also REITs, Charities, Councils and so on.

You did say that it's higher, so it's not normal amounts of wealth. If you need to be in a high paying job to afford something, then that is unaffordable to the rest of the population. That's the definition of rich. Maybe not mega rich like CEO's but still rich.

Ah the "I am alright Jack fook the rest of ya" mentality.

You make it sound like the ones that don't work for the glossy MNCs or in the high paying sectors are somehow stupid and maybe lazy to have chosen another career.

Hell maybe they did chose the same career, but weren't lucky enough to have landed one of those plush high paying roles, often with the flashy MNCs.

The laugh now is a lot of the roles with the flashy MNCs is no longer enough to buy or get adequate accommodation.

Hell look how the government only appear to get concerned when the likes of Google or Meta raise this topic and say it is getting too expensive for their workers.

Shure it was alright when it was Mick and Helen who worked down the road in the small Irish SME or were working as nurses or Gardai, but god forbid it would be someone working for the nice MNCs who was finding it difficult to get accommodation.

That's quite true. Also there's the people who are supposed to service these swanky offices: security, cleaners, maintenance, catering, where are they supposed to live?

No, but it is what you implied.

"they just chose higher paying careers" meaning the rest of people are idiots for not doing so.

Let me guess you also subscribe to mindset that Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates deserve the billions because after all they work a billion times harder and are a billions time smarter than the rest of us.

I learned a long time ago a lot in life depends on luck and happenstance.

Housing is a basic need, however ownership of a commodity or asset (ie home ownership) is not.

The unfortunate reality is that what we might call "basic needs" are many, and they aren't always cheap to provide. Housing, healthcare, transport, education, adequate food, safe drinking water, sanitation - there are many basic needs, and some of them are easier to provide than others. It's not easy to find a consensus for global provision of these services, given the basic inequality of life, and that communism failed politically. Housing is more difficult than many of the others because of the capital required, and the time lag to getting anything built.

Housing has always been an investment, in some way. Whether it's a subsistence farmer building a small farmhouse on his own land, or a developer building a housing estate, housing of any kind is an investment because significant resources are required to create it, and because housing has significant value to those who use it. There is obviously also the factor of land ownership, because housing needs to be built somewhere, and land is a large component of housing value.

We should never waste a good crisis, though, and maybe it takes a crisis for people to change their minds on what they want. Some attitudes I've seen in Ireland that I think feed the current problems:

• An obsession with 3-bed semis with front and back garden, in the suburbs.
• An irrational dislike of well-built apartments.
• Wanting to buy a "forever house" as a first time buyer, and never moving again, rather than buying a starter home and moving up/down in size as family requirements change.
• Refusing to consider renting as something that should be viable, long term, at reasonable expense.

There are loads of empty or under-utilised properties around the country too. In my opinion, Ireland needs to start seeing housing as a shared, collective resource, rather than something that is purely the concern of a single owner or family. Until that happens (and I see massive resistance to any suggestion of shared, collective responsibility here) we are stuck, and have to wait for the housing stock to build up slowly over time, as market forces allow, and having to wait a decade or more before things start to improve much.

Exactly, all these leeches pretending to be doing people a favour. Increasingly regular people can't get a sniff of a house or apartment just to purchase to, you know, live in.

Council housing? Purpose built student accommodation? Regulated private renting firms? BTL landlords are rarely professionals, IMO it is strange that one expects a non-qualified person to provide a good quality vital service. Do you buy your meat from people growing pigs in their own allotments? You could, but you taking a risk. Same with individual landlords, are they Garda vetted at least?