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Increase in Anti-EV Media Articles

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,941 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It's not even a good deal on Vodafone.

    Throwing out or destroying iPhones after two years when they are still worth a fair bit, seems another poor financial decision. They don't seem fit for whatever ye do with them .



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,495 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    2 years 😂

    iPhone X still going strong. Albeit with a Few screen replacements from drops etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    Yeah, I don't tend to engage with the negativity. 3 of my mates are anti EV - you would swear that an EV murdered their family. The irony is that one of the anti EV brigade had a diesel Merc spontaneously combust on a motorway and it went up in a fireball.

    A couple of my mates would be cautious and last week I picked one of them up (I live around 100km away so I rarely see them) and within 10 minutes, he had seen the light. Another would like one, but he does a lot of fishing and tows his boat through muddy fields and tracks, so he felt it wouldn't be suitable due to the weight (he drives an A8 Quattro estate I think).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭eagerv


    To be fair, we have had very little negativity over the years with our EVs. If work mates etc ask us how we like our cars, we tell the truth, how they suit our driving, for significantly less running costs in a car significantly more powerful, better equipped and simpler to drive than we would otherwise have. Range is usually questioned, not sure they believe how easy it is to drive to London, Belfast or wherever and in reality how little you need chargers apart from at home.

    Most people we know are just reluctant to change and that is very understandable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 982 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    It’s hard to pinpoint exactly when this shift occurred, but yes, much of this regression can be traced back to the current state of social media. About five or six years ago, when I logged onto my Instagram account, the content I encountered was closely aligned with my interests. Friends shared photos, and brands showcased interesting products. It all seamlessly fit into my life.


    However, things have changed dramatically. Social media is now inundated with fake news, clickbait content, memes, and videos designed for quick laughs and reactions. As someone who values information and intelligent content, I find this shift disheartening. Inevitably, all this rubbish makes its way into workplaces, family dinners and chats around the table down the pub.


    For the sake of humanity, I hope that platforms like Instagram and Tik-Tok will eventually fade away, much like Facebook did. Perhaps then, people will reconnect with each other, lifting their heads out of their phones and engaging in genuine interactions.


    In the context of electric vehicles, I’ve also observed that many people tend to unquestioningly believe what they read online. Unfortunately, the internet is rife with fake news and clickbait content, making it challenging for individuals to discern between facts and fiction. However, there’s a silver lining: those who avoid excessive online exposure often maintain a more balanced perspective on EVs. Specifically, I’m referring to people who haven’t yet owned an EV.


    If a prominent figure like Jeremy Clarkson were to publicly endorse EVs by purchasing one, it would likely influence a significant number of people—especially the more traditional demographic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    FWIW I noted Clarkson was driving a 16 year old Range Rover on his Amazon show in the latest season. I know he isn't short of a bob or two and likes all things British but Christ that thing must cost a fortune to keep going.

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    Clarkson is a walking contradiction. On one hand, he bemoans the climate and talks about climate change on 'Clarksons Farm'. He talks about how his proximity to nature has made him far more aware of the climate. He has fields of wildflowers for pollinators… but is happy to completely ignore the effect of exhaust emissions on said poillinators. He won't drive an EV full stop and you're probably right, if he could swallow his pride and give them an honest go, and if it changed his mind, I think it would do a lot of good. It would open the conversation and people might feel more comfortable about changing their opinion.

    Interestingly, Joe Rogan is a big fan of EVs… he also loves his muscle cars but has a very balanced view. I'm not sure if this is down to his love of Elon, or if he just gets EVs… possibly a bit of both as he really loves cars. I'm not a fan of JR, and some of his opinions are bonkers, but his attitude to EVs is refreshing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭yagan


    I said it back when FB was becoming popular, when someone offers you a service for free then you're the product they're selling. Once they started pushing content I was out. Sad to see a few friends go down anti vax anti everything wormholes just because if social media.

    On the EV none of social media negativity has put me off. We were looking last year and what made us hold off was knowing that there were loads of brands like BYD on the way with loads of spec for a lot less. When we change cars we like to hold onto them for years, our diesel estate is approaching 20 years but passed the NCT again.

    I don't like the supersized nature of cars these days and would prefer something that has as roomy a boot as our estate but as easy to park as an average car size from twenty years ago. The only EV I've noticed that meet such requirement is an MG5 but I'm not really gone on its looks. I'm happy to wait for better EV options to arrive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,941 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Can't with Trump, COVID and Musk. Driving fake news and not policing it..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,941 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    They reckon it's the sweet spot model...

    That said I've no time for Clarkson. Always felt he uses cars a platform for self promotion, rather than actually being that interested in cars.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    17 years even. Each to their own, wouldn't be my cup of tea though.

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,941 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Kinda of farm/country thing. Especially in the UK. Gentleman farmers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    I think the downfall of social media in Ireland was Covid and lockdowns. Conspiracy theories that normally would be ignored were embraced when people started getting dispondent.

    Many people got very attached to social media at that time - it was a break from the monotony. Then, when people started to agree with their views (right or wrong, crazy or sane), they felt important. Now it seems to be a case of who can outscoop who, irrespective of if it's right or wrong. People share things without checking. If it's on social media, it's legit in their eyes. If they can share it before anyone else in their circle, they will get more likes… they will be the authority. If they can get the first comment and get the most likes, they'll be important. The more out there the comment, the more reaction. If people criticise, then deflect, make things up, use memes, and call them sheep. Don't bother to investigate and see if you're wrong. Backing down or admitting being wrong is incomprehensible because if you're wrong about one thing, perhaps you're wrong about a lot of things.

    It's sad and depressing but it's made worse by the social media companies who seem to actively push negative content to your feed to try to get you to engage. I don't play ball anymore. I have social profiles but I rarely use them for anything other than work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,513 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I'm hearing from friends in the UK that a 3-door hatch is what they want… Don't think there's a single EV that fits that category, which I am learning is apparently not very niche in England



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,999 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    A big eye opener for people will be when they get into an EV taxi.

    Was speaking to a sound lad down at the Sandyford SuC and he was telling me about the people he was ferrying around, asking lots of questions about electric vehicle ownership (he had a new model 3).

    Biggest takeaway for people is they don't realise that they're not a hugely expensive car. The running costs come next.

    I gave a lift home last week to the accountant in my wife's work. He just bought his wife a new Tucson jeep. After a look around my car he says "what the f*ck am I after doing? I could have bought her one of these and she could charge it at home every night" (he was taken back when I told him an overnight charge would leave her with around 400kms or more to head off the next day).

    She's an ideal candidate - driveway, stay at home mother who does the school run and a spin to the shops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,941 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think another turning point was the UA war. A successful internet troll nation needs all the oil money they can.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭yagan


    The lockdowns certainly did a number on some people, but I think ultimately the lockdowns just highlighted how much some people had been making their social media profile extensions of themselves for years beforehand.

    Anyway on that note I think it's good to me getting past the novelty stage with EVs and down to the nitty gritty. I think it's inevitable that EVs will become more common for several reasons, but mainly once the cheapest entry level EV is as cheap as an entry level ICE like a Nissan micra, or Suzuki ignis, then there's an awful lot of folks like retirees whose driving is all local who'll be happy to plug it in like it's another kitchen appliance.

    They care nothing for 0-100Klm in howmany seconds, and they'll make the EV ubiquitous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,513 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    All only available as 5 door cars to my knowledge. Great cars though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,855 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,941 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Mini E is definately 3 door. didn' tknow the Honda E had those rear hidden doors. Fiat 500E.

    3 Door Hatches even in ICE are becoming rare there just isn't the economy of scale for them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,746 ✭✭✭maidhc


    I thought two years was ok. Battery life in mine is down in the low 80%, I have spent almost 30 days worth of talk time on it alone, not to mention data and it’s a legitimate business expense. Screen is cracked too, but in fairness it’s the first time I ever cracked a screen and I never bother with cases. I’d never sell the phone’s because of data protection fears (yes wipe yada yada, not with the hassle) or hand it in for a new battery for the same reasons.


    to stay ot though, I don’t know why I am being told how to think. Likewise with EVs, people are allowed to be question what was 24 months ago held up as gospel. It’s probably gone too far the other way now, but equilibrium will emerge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,746 ✭✭✭maidhc


    can’t image so when almost every 3 door hatch on the market was killed off due to low demand. They all went the way of the coupes and convertibles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,941 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,941 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Except you're not getting told what to think. That's a strawman to try and shutdown any option you disagree with.

    Maybe I should do the same. Why are you telling everyone else what to think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    Indeed, the area I had in mind, the North coast was virtually devoid of fuel stations.

    Things have changed.

    Were I still working, I would give one consideration, but I think there would have to be a major drive to get all on board.

    I have a fondness for saving the planet, but the danger seems to be ending up with a bit of a lemon if humanity decides self destruction is the most attractive way forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    We had diesels, they didn't last, the turbos went. I recall a memo about leaving the engines to "idle" before turning off the ignition, but the Mazdas were the last. Mine was not a good advert for the brand, it didn't do half what we would run a petrol car to before being sold off as little more than scrap.

    I would guess the company knew what it was doing, I never quite understood the methodology but I am not an accountant. Unless opting out we had company fuel for private and company travel. The income tax burden was high, but the company.

    Scotland has power, did I give the impression that it didn't?

    It has to have power, as the highlands have been taken over by golfers, the little haggis's have nowhere quiet to be nurtured after birth due to the parents abandoning them because of golf balls hurtling all over the highlands. The only way to guarantee survival of the new haggis generations was to armour plate and supply power to bothies,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,941 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    "Most" modern petrols have turbos. You'll have search to find one without one. "Normally Aspirated" (no turbo).

    Who ever bought them should have done their homework on Mazda diesels reliability. At face value you've been describing a pattern of poor decision making.

    You've also been describing the long distance driving that diesels are designed for.

    None of this has anything to do with EVs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    I have no idea as to the decision making. I wanted an estate and later when my work took me to Ireland a lot, a long wheelbase transit van, both were denied.

    EV's would be out full stop. I had difficulty sometimes simply finding fuel, although after twenty years driving for the company only ran out twice. The satnav took me to a few closed stations, on top of that I needed to find garages that accepted my fuel card. Things may well be different now, but stopping to charge an EV isn't like fuelling up.

    I suppose the one saving grace with EV's is you don't have to wait around to have the battery "pumped out" when you put the wrong kind of Volts in :-)

    I am fully aware that most petrol cars have turbos, maybe it's a simplistic approach, but when buying my own car I would not have a turbo, The fuel economy seems around the same as a turbo model, or so I was told by the dealer, and the power is adequate. If I shift more fuel in and at a faster rate, then I assume that the engine will wear sooner, but I have no foundation for this approach, bar the Mazda of course.

    I assumed a "plodder" would be cheaper on the insurance too.

    Don't get me wrong, I think EV's are an excellent approach, but I never seriously looked into buying one because of the vastly different cost of my petrol plodder and an EV, plus of course the power unreliability here, although the last major network upgrade was designed to remedy this. I will wait and see :-(



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,941 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The reason petrol cars are increasingly turbocharged is not because they are "plodders" as you describe them. But it gives them...

    "...better fuel economy and lower emissions, without comparable loss of performance...."

    Certainly less complex the engine it will "probably" be cheaper to maintain. I've got a non turbo petrol manual myself for the same reason. But it's not been as reliable as older cars I've owned. I think modern cars are just not as reliable as they were back in late 90s.

    Unless you're doing massive long trips for work (or pleasure) now. It's irrelevant to what car you use now.

    With respect I don't think you can understand how charging works on an EV. Unless you use one.Because you don't charge them in the same way you fill a petrol car. You tend to top up along the route which means your never actually stopped for much time at all. Only at the start of end of journey would you doing a full charge. At which point a car is parked for hours anyway.

    All that said someone doing mega work mileage non stop would mostly be best in a diesel. But only a tiny % of people do that.



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