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Increase in Anti-EV Media Articles

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭yagan


    I said it back when FB was becoming popular, when someone offers you a service for free then you're the product they're selling. Once they started pushing content I was out. Sad to see a few friends go down anti vax anti everything wormholes just because if social media.

    On the EV none of social media negativity has put me off. We were looking last year and what made us hold off was knowing that there were loads of brands like BYD on the way with loads of spec for a lot less. When we change cars we like to hold onto them for years, our diesel estate is approaching 20 years but passed the NCT again.

    I don't like the supersized nature of cars these days and would prefer something that has as roomy a boot as our estate but as easy to park as an average car size from twenty years ago. The only EV I've noticed that meet such requirement is an MG5 but I'm not really gone on its looks. I'm happy to wait for better EV options to arrive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Can't with Trump, COVID and Musk. Driving fake news and not policing it..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    They reckon it's the sweet spot model...

    That said I've no time for Clarkson. Always felt he uses cars a platform for self promotion, rather than actually being that interested in cars.



  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    17 years even. Each to their own, wouldn't be my cup of tea though.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Kinda of farm/country thing. Especially in the UK. Gentleman farmers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    I think the downfall of social media in Ireland was Covid and lockdowns. Conspiracy theories that normally would be ignored were embraced when people started getting dispondent.

    Many people got very attached to social media at that time - it was a break from the monotony. Then, when people started to agree with their views (right or wrong, crazy or sane), they felt important. Now it seems to be a case of who can outscoop who, irrespective of if it's right or wrong. People share things without checking. If it's on social media, it's legit in their eyes. If they can share it before anyone else in their circle, they will get more likes… they will be the authority. If they can get the first comment and get the most likes, they'll be important. The more out there the comment, the more reaction. If people criticise, then deflect, make things up, use memes, and call them sheep. Don't bother to investigate and see if you're wrong. Backing down or admitting being wrong is incomprehensible because if you're wrong about one thing, perhaps you're wrong about a lot of things.

    It's sad and depressing but it's made worse by the social media companies who seem to actively push negative content to your feed to try to get you to engage. I don't play ball anymore. I have social profiles but I rarely use them for anything other than work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I'm hearing from friends in the UK that a 3-door hatch is what they want… Don't think there's a single EV that fits that category, which I am learning is apparently not very niche in England



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,859 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    A big eye opener for people will be when they get into an EV taxi.

    Was speaking to a sound lad down at the Sandyford SuC and he was telling me about the people he was ferrying around, asking lots of questions about electric vehicle ownership (he had a new model 3).

    Biggest takeaway for people is they don't realise that they're not a hugely expensive car. The running costs come next.

    I gave a lift home last week to the accountant in my wife's work. He just bought his wife a new Tucson jeep. After a look around my car he says "what the f*ck am I after doing? I could have bought her one of these and she could charge it at home every night" (he was taken back when I told him an overnight charge would leave her with around 400kms or more to head off the next day).

    She's an ideal candidate - driveway, stay at home mother who does the school run and a spin to the shops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think another turning point was the UA war. A successful internet troll nation needs all the oil money they can.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭yagan


    The lockdowns certainly did a number on some people, but I think ultimately the lockdowns just highlighted how much some people had been making their social media profile extensions of themselves for years beforehand.

    Anyway on that note I think it's good to me getting past the novelty stage with EVs and down to the nitty gritty. I think it's inevitable that EVs will become more common for several reasons, but mainly once the cheapest entry level EV is as cheap as an entry level ICE like a Nissan micra, or Suzuki ignis, then there's an awful lot of folks like retirees whose driving is all local who'll be happy to plug it in like it's another kitchen appliance.

    They care nothing for 0-100Klm in howmany seconds, and they'll make the EV ubiquitous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    All only available as 5 door cars to my knowledge. Great cars though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Mini E is definately 3 door. didn' tknow the Honda E had those rear hidden doors. Fiat 500E.

    3 Door Hatches even in ICE are becoming rare there just isn't the economy of scale for them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭maidhc


    I thought two years was ok. Battery life in mine is down in the low 80%, I have spent almost 30 days worth of talk time on it alone, not to mention data and it’s a legitimate business expense. Screen is cracked too, but in fairness it’s the first time I ever cracked a screen and I never bother with cases. I’d never sell the phone’s because of data protection fears (yes wipe yada yada, not with the hassle) or hand it in for a new battery for the same reasons.


    to stay ot though, I don’t know why I am being told how to think. Likewise with EVs, people are allowed to be question what was 24 months ago held up as gospel. It’s probably gone too far the other way now, but equilibrium will emerge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭maidhc


    can’t image so when almost every 3 door hatch on the market was killed off due to low demand. They all went the way of the coupes and convertibles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Except you're not getting told what to think. That's a strawman to try and shutdown any option you disagree with.

    Maybe I should do the same. Why are you telling everyone else what to think.



  • Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    Indeed, the area I had in mind, the North coast was virtually devoid of fuel stations.

    Things have changed.

    Were I still working, I would give one consideration, but I think there would have to be a major drive to get all on board.

    I have a fondness for saving the planet, but the danger seems to be ending up with a bit of a lemon if humanity decides self destruction is the most attractive way forward.



  • Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    We had diesels, they didn't last, the turbos went. I recall a memo about leaving the engines to "idle" before turning off the ignition, but the Mazdas were the last. Mine was not a good advert for the brand, it didn't do half what we would run a petrol car to before being sold off as little more than scrap.

    I would guess the company knew what it was doing, I never quite understood the methodology but I am not an accountant. Unless opting out we had company fuel for private and company travel. The income tax burden was high, but the company.

    Scotland has power, did I give the impression that it didn't?

    It has to have power, as the highlands have been taken over by golfers, the little haggis's have nowhere quiet to be nurtured after birth due to the parents abandoning them because of golf balls hurtling all over the highlands. The only way to guarantee survival of the new haggis generations was to armour plate and supply power to bothies,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    "Most" modern petrols have turbos. You'll have search to find one without one. "Normally Aspirated" (no turbo).

    Who ever bought them should have done their homework on Mazda diesels reliability. At face value you've been describing a pattern of poor decision making.

    You've also been describing the long distance driving that diesels are designed for.

    None of this has anything to do with EVs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    I have no idea as to the decision making. I wanted an estate and later when my work took me to Ireland a lot, a long wheelbase transit van, both were denied.

    EV's would be out full stop. I had difficulty sometimes simply finding fuel, although after twenty years driving for the company only ran out twice. The satnav took me to a few closed stations, on top of that I needed to find garages that accepted my fuel card. Things may well be different now, but stopping to charge an EV isn't like fuelling up.

    I suppose the one saving grace with EV's is you don't have to wait around to have the battery "pumped out" when you put the wrong kind of Volts in :-)

    I am fully aware that most petrol cars have turbos, maybe it's a simplistic approach, but when buying my own car I would not have a turbo, The fuel economy seems around the same as a turbo model, or so I was told by the dealer, and the power is adequate. If I shift more fuel in and at a faster rate, then I assume that the engine will wear sooner, but I have no foundation for this approach, bar the Mazda of course.

    I assumed a "plodder" would be cheaper on the insurance too.

    Don't get me wrong, I think EV's are an excellent approach, but I never seriously looked into buying one because of the vastly different cost of my petrol plodder and an EV, plus of course the power unreliability here, although the last major network upgrade was designed to remedy this. I will wait and see :-(



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The reason petrol cars are increasingly turbocharged is not because they are "plodders" as you describe them. But it gives them...

    "...better fuel economy and lower emissions, without comparable loss of performance...."

    Certainly less complex the engine it will "probably" be cheaper to maintain. I've got a non turbo petrol manual myself for the same reason. But it's not been as reliable as older cars I've owned. I think modern cars are just not as reliable as they were back in late 90s.

    Unless you're doing massive long trips for work (or pleasure) now. It's irrelevant to what car you use now.

    With respect I don't think you can understand how charging works on an EV. Unless you use one.Because you don't charge them in the same way you fill a petrol car. You tend to top up along the route which means your never actually stopped for much time at all. Only at the start of end of journey would you doing a full charge. At which point a car is parked for hours anyway.

    All that said someone doing mega work mileage non stop would mostly be best in a diesel. But only a tiny % of people do that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    Thanks.

    I am no longer working so circumstances are different.

    Brief stops would be out when working, I hated interruptions to the route.

    I never did the research for the current vehicle, the dealer was someone I knew from way back when I first started to rent cars from him for holidays here. Frankly I am more than happy with the fuel consumption. The only really noticeable thing is that I tend to remain in third going up Connor Pass. The Focus needed fourth for the steeper bits.

    Reliability was never an issue with petrol engines. The Fords were fine, alternators went and water pumps too, but that was at over 100K.

    The only oddity was that most never used oil, but one or two seemed very thirsty for oil from new. I bought my "thirsty" one from the administrators when the company hit problems, I topped it up every two or three tankfuls of fuel, but it never increased in consumption, even when I dropped down to the cheapest stuff I could get hold of.

    I must admit an EV would tend to fit in with my current driving. Although I visit them rarely these days, I know every petrol station with customer toilets around here. I assume most charging points have a toilet in the vicinity?

    On the whole I'm happy with the Seat, although I dislike the software. In town sometimes when I try to move off at lights the car wont go and I get a message saying that I need to manually restart. The auto stop is only for the journey, so I cannot switch it out permanently. The only way to avoid the problem is not to wear the seatbelt.

    The other little surprise was the application of brakes for no reason. I called into the dealer who suggested it might be leaves on the road blowing into the sensor path.

    The days of something mechanical with a carb and nothing more new fangled than flashing turn indicators seem quite heavenly :-(



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Carbs were their own nightmare.

    There are good and bad petrol engines. You can't make omelettes without breaking eggs. So it's not possible that every older engine is good or every new engine is bad. Theres good and bad in everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    If the idea is that older petrols without turbos are less complex and thus should have less problems. Then an EV is vastly less complicated with far less parts.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    Converted another doubter today. Was driving to an event and she grabbed a lift of me.

    Straight away she noticed it was an ev and asked to genuinely give my opinion as she heard bad things.

    I was very honest and she asked the usual questions about range, battery, what happens if I run out of power. She loved the quietness and comfort but her jaw dropped when I told her it cost less than an entry level golf and that I was paying less than 1/10th to power it, about 1/4 of the tax I was i paying and half the insurance cost.Then I gave her a demo of the acceleration and she was sold.

    She was planning on getting a new car next year and she's definitely going electric now. Just goes to show if people are open to the idea and can see its actually a great option, they'll embrace it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭pah




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    So compare and EV with something from the 1970s. Makes sense.

    1970 - 980kg

    Honda E - 1588 kg

    BMW 3-Series - 1520 kg

    Model 3 - 1684 kg

    Tiguan - 1490 kg

    Audi A6 - 1720 kg

    ID4 - 1966 kg

    Volvo XC90  -2052 kg




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭maidhc


    An average car park in 1970 would be full of mk1 escorts (800kg), minis (600kg) and the odd cortina or hilman hunter weighing a slight bit more.


    new cars are obscenely big and heavy, let’s just accept that as a fact and move on.



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