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Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,091 ✭✭✭Odhinn




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    We aren't anti semite or pro hamas, ( im assuming from your posts that you are not irish). None of your really long statement backs up the statement that we are antisemitic. If you are unconcerned about 30k people being killed in Gaza are you also unconcerned about the 1k Israelis killed by Hamas or the 200 Israeli hostages held by hamas? If you only concerned about the Israeli losses then you are providing more evidence that are you islamophobic then you have that the Irish are antisemitic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,330 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    that’s a load of bull to respond to on mobile, but for starters the Syrian Civil War isn’t a war between ethnic groups like Hutus and Tutsis etc. so it’s hard to say how it’s a genocide, like was the U.S. Civil war a genocide? Those casualty numbers would make you blush, but brother fought brother across five Aprils as it were.

    Israel’s genocide is quite clear it’s about ethnic and religious identity and Israeli officials have been openly calling for it - you know, mens rea: https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/anatomy-genocide-report-special-rapporteur-situation-human-rights-palestinian-territories-occupied-1967-francesca-albanese-ahrc5573-advance-unedited-version

    Ordering them to evacuate where? Ah yes into another country. Something Israel has the right to do? lol. Why doesn’t Israel evacuate there or just set up country there instead since it’s a great place for a bunch of lads to live, why bulldoze Palestinian homes and announce more illegal West Bank settlements? Fact is many people in Gaza already have long been living in refugee camps because of Israel telling them to “evacuate” during war crimes like the Nakba etc which they openly state they want to do a second Nakba in response to October 7 - ya know, mens rea. It seems abundantly clear evacuating them to the desert is hardly some fashionable humanitarian gesture but a component of the ethnic cleansing. And the glib and banal dead horse about percentage of population - do you really think that disproves genocide? In addition to the article I just linked here’s the US Holocaust Memorial Museums own definition of genocide find me where it says something to the effect of “it’s not genocide until 2% of the gene pool is slaughtered”

    https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/learn-about-genocide-and-other-mass-atrocities/what-is-genocide

    I’ll wait




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    'People from the outside looking in can see the frantic nature and the lack of critical thinking of the Irish people who all roll in together in this poisonous agenda. Martin called for withholding of food to be considered genocide at the ICJ. His propoganda of the famine being genocide and his parties clandestine raison d’etre since the existence of the IRB of liberating Ireland from the UK and removing any remnants of its people in Ireland is sickening to see. What happens when Ireland is liberated? There is no longer an alleged evil to destroy? It’s such a small man thing to do to try and drive home the dagger into your opponents heart at the outbreak of humanitarian situation to frame withholding of food as genocide.'

    Huh? - M. Martin is trying to remove British people from Ireland?



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,348 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    400,000 Palestinian women and teenage girls were raped by the IDF last year. I read it on a twitter post under the handle "deathtothejews".

    Are you going to tell me that you don't believe those women? Or is it the case that see, if it is a Palestinian teenage girl, we need the world's best possible proof, correct?

    So what is your conclusion? Are you able to distinguish between the claim of a propagandist and the claim of an individual ………. or only when it suits your own particular hatred?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,370 ✭✭✭AllForIt




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,436 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    I believe what the UN published. Do you? Repeated by the BBC - do you believe them?



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,330 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The UN: https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/02/1146667

    Repeated by the BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68514816.amp

    Do you believe them or are these “deflections” as a previous post of yours insinuated?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭Gerry T




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭corkie


    + BBC and Youtube viewership? Some people went BBC for Norton over Marty's commentary. And youtube for none.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-vote-israel-eurovision-6378306-May2024/

    • “In the Eurovision, we can estimate from previous Eurovisions that about 6% of people who watch the Eurovision actually cast a vote – and the number of people who watch is itself a small subset of the population.

    Back to main discussion and sorry for off thread discussion?

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/13/middleeast/israel-restarts-fighting-north-gaza-military-strategy-mime-intl/index.html

    • The Israeli military has renewed its fighting in northern Gaza where it previously claimed to have dismantled Hamas’ command structure. But it now says the Palestinian militant group is trying to “reassemble” in the area, raising doubts about whether Israel’s goal to eradicate the group in the enclave is realistic.

    So bad news for Gaza strip!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 612 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    There is footage at one of the crossing points of hundreds of Israelis attacking an aid convoy and are totally unimpeded. The viciousness of this act is extremely vile.



  • Registered Users Posts: 612 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    Practically everything you said there is contrary to international law and at best forms the basis for ethnic cleansing and a worst genocide. The fact that you think that is grand is troubling



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,768 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    I wouldn’t worry, it’s a prepared statement especially prepared for us to gaslight “the Irish people”

    the not making their mind up on if their Irish or not and the shoehorning in of irishisms is a tell tale sign. That’s ignore all bull S of the contents of the essay which appears to be formulated by some mix of chat GPT and a monkey chained to a desk.


    allegedly, according to the Irish people is an attempt to slaughter the population of Gaza despite a very small proportion of them suffering death so far.

    what happened at the Eurovision was embarrassing to see us portray ourselves as such strong anti Israel proponents on the European and world stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,348 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    "Hey look over there".

    Were you, by the same measure, equally as supportive of all genocidal regimes in history? Aren't you a bit hypocritical to be so supportive of the Zionists if you haven't been equally as supportive of other similar criminal enterprises?

    Were you as steadfast in your support of Russians butchering civilians in Bucha? If not, why not? Using your own example, were you equally as supportive of Assad doing said butchering?



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,348 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Seems like you are in denial now. Trying like mad to shift goalposts. What do those Palestinian women have to do to get the benefit of your belief?



  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭engineerws


    No women have come forward claiming to have been raped and there's no evidence of rape and certainly no evidence of mass rape.

    Believe who? The Israeli liars that are murdering children in their thousands?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Out of curiosity, and without you producing another word soup, can you point to actual (i.e. real) examples of where Sinn Féin called to "wipe out the Brits", during the Troubles or at other times?



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,330 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    this morning I had some silly people elsewhere on social media with agendas tag me in claims from Fox News and other drive by punditry that the UN “halved” the number of children and women killed in Gaza overnight, parading this as “proof” that the numbers were all made up…

    The UN has this afternoon clarified that’s horse ****. They revised the numbers listed to those “fully identified.” There are still 10,000 going through full identification. This means we know with even greater confidence that at least as many women and children died as in the revised figures

    “What’s changed is the Ministry of Health in Gaza has updated the breakdown of fatalities, for whom full details have been documented. So what they recently published was that they gave figures for 24,686 out of 34,622 overall fatalities recorded in Gaza. And those 24,686 people are the ones for whom full details have been documented.”

    “In other words, people who have been fully identified, out of those, then out of that smaller number, that subset of identified bodies, you have 7,797 children, 4,959 women, 1,924 elderly, and 10,006 men,”

    “And the Ministry of Health says that the documentation process of fully identifying details of the casualties is ongoing. Meanwhile, as you can see, if you do the math that there’s about another 10,000 plus bodies who are still have to be fully identified. And so then the details of those which of those are children, which of those are women that will be reestablished once the full identification process is complete. We, our teams in Gaza, are unable to identify, independently verified these figures, given the situation on the ground and the continuing combat and the sheer number of fatalities. And so we, cite the Ministry of Health as the source for our figures.”

    https://www.mediaite.com/media/not-quite-the-case-no-spokesperson-rebuts-claims-un-halved-death-toll-of-women-and-children-in-gaza/

    It appears the UN is still on course to corroborate the GHMs figures as it has in all recent conflicts:

    https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-ministry-health-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    I read your post, it's dribble. The use of percentages and the lack of knowing what genocide actually is doesn't surprise me. Your post doesn't warrant being replied to other than to say, poor effort try harder.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,426 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    34,000 as a percent of 2 million is 1.7%, hardly a good attempt at slaughtering a population or replacing them. If we look on the other hand to another more very grave and brutal conflict, of which, there wasn’t a peep out of the Irish people in relation to, the Syrian civil war we see this hypocricy. In that conflict 617,000 out of 22,000,000 is a staggering 2.8% of the population albeit the war has been going in since 2013. 

    I guess if we did nothing about Syria we're not allowed help Gaza or Ukraine or anybody else. Also, the fighting is in Gaza, which has a smaller population than two million.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,197 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I will wholeheartedly believe any israeli woman who says she was raped and/or sexually assaulted. the problem is that I don't know if any have. A lot of the reports are third hand. And unfortunately they can be groups in with the reports that a holocaust survivor was killed and all the babies were killed.

    That's why I said I have no doubt that something happened, but the widespread nature of it has to be taken with a pinch of salt.

    You might say, why would they make up such disgusting lies. Why would anyone create such stories? People lied about babies and holocaust survivors. That's disgusting. So yeah, it's right to ask for evidence.

    And others have said, do you believe the evidence collected that Palestinian women have been subjected to sexual abuse? Or does your "I Believe her" stop when it's not an israeli.

    Seriously, for once be critical in your assessment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Someone doesn't know what a genocide is.

    Good old Israel warning people to evacuated to a rented city that can accommodate at best a couple thousand people, but they're trying to move over 300,000 there, while blocking aid, not having water or sanitation

    Good old Israel they've only killed 1.7 % of the population, but they have brought 100,000s more to the brink of life altering disease and then there's the 1000,000 or more who have been injured or wounded for whom life will never be the same again.

    You see it's not, and never about the pure numbers.

    We had a poster here saying Israel faced an existential threat etc the killing done by Israel in 75 years far, far outweighs anything they've received



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