Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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I think you'll find that "doctors and engineers" is not an obsession, but a rebuttal to the other "side of the argument", stemming from claims by Leo et al. The same man also known for "St Patrick was an immigrant".

What it does mean is that NI will be the destination for more from UK , and also that if we do judge people as not eligible here and they have come via NI , they can be returned there, doesn't it ?

It's whataboutism and it's never used as a rebuttal.

I reckon the only time this lame slogan was used properly as a rebuttal was me a few posts ago.

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I don't think anyone has a problem with those groups already established and working here . Many groups came in as EU members so as iamwhoiam stated have integrated pretty well .

We all have difficulties with the housing situation and nobody wants to see our own being passed over for newcomers who have yet to contribute anything to our country .

People also have an issue with those they think are sponging and will not integrate .(Let's face it we already have a real problem with some of our own who behave in that way .)

But if these people were found to be genuine refugees , and anyone else deported , and those accepted integrated and obliged to work ,/ pay taxes after a stipulated time and this was enforced ..

Also before citizenship granted new applicants should show how they are integrating ...language culture, schools , work , paying their way , with their adopted country like in the US

.. would it then be more acceptable to the majority ?

It is the practice in other countries after all , and quite accepted/acceptable .

I know a lot of 'ifs 'there .

But this has been so disgracefully handled by our government it is they as a whole who should be blamed for any problems or issues , not just one or two weak links in government and not the genuine Asylum seekers themselves .

Are you saying we should make it illegal for Muslim people to enter and live in Ireland?

I find it extraordinary how some posters here can spend so much time sitting on the fence, it must be a right pain in the butt.

It is untenable to on one hand broadly support our quite dysfunctional immigration system, whilst in the next breath criticise the government for not doing a better job with the knock on effects associated with the same dysfunctional immigration system they defend.

Hypocrisy is the word for this carry on.

Not confined to here by any means either. Plenty of examples of politicians on the air waves over recent days at the same thing. Hypocrisy.

Political correctness and inability to make difficult decisions...fear of being labelled far-right (lol).

There is no courage in Irish society, nobody willing to be a bit nasty to get things right. A good example is Roy Keane and Saipan, he stood up and took action when he felt there was no other option. It split the country, it wasn't clear cut, but he has backed up his feelings over the years. Keane, undoubtedly one of our great leaders (in a sporting sense). There is no one in Irish public life making anybody accountable. I lamented Vincent Browne absence from the debate, he was able to cut through the bull, unafraid to upset people. Then again, I think the world has changed a lot in the past 5yrs since he left the screen...there is even less tolerance for differing opinions, and unfortunately there's been a massive increase in the nonsense (in my opinion).

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a movement of ISIS soldiers through the huge numbers of migration into Europe.

It would be absolutely stupid to think that something like this would not be an open goal for them if they were strategising that way.

You are right, some people rather than being grateful appear to have a disrespectful ungrateful edge about them. You would think anyone fleeing persecution is thoroughly thankful.

So far I've seen lads giving two fingers to the camera, a stabbing and fellas laughing as they say they will get a house.

They're giving two fingers to creepy "citizen journalists" filming them, to be fair

You quoting that eejit Mick O'Keefe as a serious quote there and expect anybody to believe that tripe ?

Oh I see some have already swallowed it ...

Yes, the majority are in the centre. The trouble is that the bulk of the political parties no longer represent the centre. They're plamasing the centre alright but have been too busy keeping up with other agendas.

The centre also moves about, the majority position in this state now going by polls and conversations is that we have an immigration problem and that we'd better do something about it.

If others who think they are centre haven't moved for whatever reason, then they are no longer in the centre. They're likely not on the left or right either, but on planet wishful woolly thinking.

This thread is an anomaly.

As was the other which was closed down .

Most of the anti immigration posters here shouting loudly would be very quiet elsewhere where the balance of posters is more equal.

You only have to.look at some of the posts that get thanked here and some that get multiples of that , because this is the go to thread to let it all out for some where those posts would be piled on elsewhere .

Not that the posts are all rubbish just not reflective of many of the posters on the other threads .

I would be interested really to see a breakdown of anti posters centrist posters and pro posters on this thread and maybe on boards generally . But even the poll threads don't go the way of this .

I am sure you must know this ..if not , go read some of the other CA threads , and you will see what I mean .

No better person to spin it……your views are in the minority keep spinning

why not put it to a poll as per your post above

Minority here not elsewhere .

Indeed why don't you with your Micko quotes ?!

Good luck !

No , didn't say that .

But they usually get a wider catch of boardsies.

Maybe all us boardsies are anomalies !😁