What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

A.K.A FREEDOM! And if you don't agree you're a commie socialist!

Theres very little modern or sophistcated about large swathes of the US

@Detritus70

It is political flat-eartherism, it could only appeal to hateful idiots. But we here in Germany are living proof that, as a demagogue, you can always be successful in politics, because a large enough percentage of the population is thick as pig sh1te, hateful and racist and they will believe any old crap you spout, as long as it vilifies the "right" people.

I can't totally agree with this. I think right-wing reactionary movements grow out of problems or concerns that centrist governments are either unwilling to address or else are unable to.

Most people are not hateful, but if you push them into a corner with austerity and lack of housing, and then have a load of new, unfamiliar people show up in a relatively short space of time, what does anyone think is going to happen? Two red buttons are being hit, there, with one being the human need of security and the other being the dislike of change.

And here is the very critical thing - when politicians tell people with the above concerns that they're just racist and get back in their box, those people do not just go away. They may have to sit with their anger for a while when there is no outlet, but when an outlet does come along, i.e. a demagogue who promises to fix the ills of society overnight, they're all in.

The lesson is that governments must responsibly manage social and economic pressures over time and confront them as they arise, not kick the can down the road. When the Irish government proposes to open a new direct provision centre in some provincial Irish town without consulting the locals, do they not realise that they're absolutely placing the ball on the tee for the likes of the National Party?

So, no, calling people 'thick as pigshit' does not work. All it does is sow division and foment anger. You must engage, no matter how unpleasant and find mutually-agreeable solutions to the concerns they're raising, or else face the consequences when all those people coalesce to vote in far-right headers who let god-knows-what happen.

What is the general consensus in terms of how the trial is going?

From my reading, he placed his team in an impossible situation by denying the triste with Daniels.

There's tonnes of corroborating evidence that

A) the catch and kill was nothing to do with protecting Melania

B) he was a micromanager and knew where all the cash was going

C) it wasn't a legal expense

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/donald-trump-slammed-for-allegedly-lying-about-100k-crowd-at-new-jersey-rally/ar-BB1mk78O?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=2d5b3ca8692545739fc42c738cb089cb&ei=16

The Trumps continuously lie about attendance figures, venue only holds 80k.

The best people. One of whom gives counterfeit money to homeless to get them arrested. Secret service has been notified

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-mcentee-secret-service/

They've no aversion to government when that government is enforcing the stuff they want.

This is the same guy who a month or two ago, posed a question on Tiktok:

"If 'gun-free' zones would work, then why are there no 'rape-free zones'?"

Obviously didn't take long for people to point out that to most people, every zone is supposed to be a rape-free zone.

He also helped set up a Conservative dating app which struggled when basically no women signed up to it.

Trumpist and troll to the core. Even if he was lying about giving the homeless counterfeit money, he's a pure engagement farmer because that's the only way he can be relevant.

Who is under his own catch and kill

That's what I expect as well.

A hefty fine, he will loud mouthed complain how unfair the world is, and a suspended sentence and he will crack on and blame judge and jury for his misfortune and how the world is against him.

That's Trump-style.

It's not too hard to predict.

I know.

But still, I see certain behaviour.

Judges in his favour. Fines being reduced. Trial start dates procrastinated.

To me Trump is he lowest of the low. A dishonest man, if he wasn't running for US president nobody would care about him, except maybe the tabloids.

If he ran for office in some 3rd world country, it'll probably be ok.

More good news for Pelosi/Haley

^^New goon squad uniform. I wonder if we'll be seeing more of 'em dressed like that. Goes well with jackboots.

Personally I think Trump is going to get away with this one, certainly with dodging the federal charge anyway, even if the misdemeanours stick.

They need to prove that he was part of the conspiracy, that he knew what Cohen was doing and why he was doing it.

But Cohens testimony is full of instances where he says he told Trump things like "I'll take care of it", "its sorted", "Don't worry about it" etc etc, and most of Trumps recorded responses are basically noncommittal.

They are trying to build the case that Trump micromanaged everything and must have known everything that was happening, but they don't have the smoking gun and it is a very plausible defence for Trump to say that when Cohen said "I'll take care of it", that he meant take care of legally. That when he signed the check, that it was just the final part of a process that Cohen carried out legally.

You shouldn't sign checks without knowing what they are for but that isn't the federal crime they are trying to reach.

The governer of Rikers Island has already said they have a suitable, self contained area that could be used and could accommodate his security no problem. It is custom made - I think he said there are more than one 'suites' for this kind of purpose.

I will never understand why people keep saying that prison would cause a conflict with the secret service protection.

How on earth would it be more difficult for the SS to do their jobs when the person involved is locked up in a secure facility? How on earth is that more difficult than protecting somebody moving around or doing rallies in front of a few thousand people?

Incarceration would be easy mode for the secret service, there is no logic at all in suggesting otherwise.