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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I think that Anti-Intellectualism is grounded in that "No one is going to tell me what to do" aspect of American Individualism that leads to the Militias and the rest of their anti-establishment movements.

    The idea that "someone else might know better" as a fallacy is engrained into them because they are told that "God helps those that help themselves" and that "No one is coming to help you".

    What was that line the Reagan used? - The scariest sentence in the world is "I'm from the Government , I'm here to help".

    Which is the complete opposite of how the rest of the world thinks - We might think our Government are total crap , but we do believe they have a key role in helping society , Americans don't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,771 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    The best people. One of whom gives counterfeit money to homeless to get them arrested. Secret service has been notified

    https://www.rawstory.com/trump-mcentee-secret-service/



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,464 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I don't know… Americans seem to be more than happy for big government to involve itself in conflicts abroad, keep foreigners out, and maintain the military-industrial complex. A lot of them seem so happy to be told what to do by the previous president that they're not even waiting to be asked any more.

    I think there is an aversion to government when it's someone who is different from them along with an aversion to government in general.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,305 ✭✭✭✭briany


    They've no aversion to government when that government is enforcing the stuff they want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I wouldn't expect too much on the verdict.

    Trump is probably going to get away with a suspended sentence in the worst case.

    The judges ae also very much in favour of him even if they pretend to be unbiased.

    Lot's of other court proceedings are procrastinated as well.

    If not some gun crazy American shoots him first, the world would have to prepare for another Trump presidency with all consequences.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    For sure, I don't hold out much hope in terms of actual penalty.

    I think he'll be found guilty but I highly doubt there will be any custodial element to his sentence.

    He'll get a hefty fine and possibly a suspended sentence , which he will of course appeal meaning that nothing will stick for quite some time anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,960 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    This is the same guy who a month or two ago, posed a question on Tiktok:

    "If 'gun-free' zones would work, then why are there no 'rape-free zones'?"

    Obviously didn't take long for people to point out that to most people, every zone is supposed to be a rape-free zone.

    He also helped set up a Conservative dating app which struggled when basically no women signed up to it.

    Trumpist and troll to the core. Even if he was lying about giving the homeless counterfeit money, he's a pure engagement farmer because that's the only way he can be relevant.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Because Trump can't be trusted we won't know until they walk in..

    Wonder will they bring Weiselberg over from Rikers for the day??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭amandstu


    What penalty could there against Weiselberg if he refused to answer any questions?

    Neither Defence nor Prosecution have called him.

    Either because both are wary of him harming their case or brcause he has indicated he will take the 5th.

    Could the jury draw any inference from the questions he refused to answer and his demeanour in court?

    Might his simple presence in the court force Trump to take the stand?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    That's what I expect as well.

    A hefty fine, he will loud mouthed complain how unfair the world is, and a suspended sentence and he will crack on and blame judge and jury for his misfortune and how the world is against him.

    That's Trump-style.

    It's not too hard to predict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,055 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Imagine thinking that videoing yourself admitting to a federal crime as part of an effort to show MAGAts just how performatively cruel you can be, is a good idea…
    The lack of either critical thinking or appreciation of consequences amongst that particular group is staggering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭randomuser02125


    City spokeswoman Lisa Fagan, who told New Jersey 101.5 before the rally the capacity on the beach for the event was 20,000, estimated the crowd to be 80,000 on Saturday.

    80,000 my hairy arse. They're pathetic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Its a federal crime he's accused of, not just a finable offence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I know.

    But still, I see certain behaviour.

    Judges in his favour. Fines being reduced. Trial start dates procrastinated.

    To me Trump is he lowest of the low. A dishonest man, if he wasn't running for US president nobody would care about him, except maybe the tabloids.

    If he ran for office in some 3rd world country, it'll probably be ok.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,771 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    "If he ran for office in some 3rd world country, it'll probably be ok."

    He is. The US is a wealthy third world country. Madly overcrowded, brutal divides between the wealthiest and the rest of society, violent. comic-opera bad guy politicians. Polluted. Getting hotter.

    Most 3rd world countries have something like free health care. Not the US.

    Let alone the influence of religion on society.

    FWIW, I'm a US expat, and have been calling the US 3rd world for a very long time. Plenty of friends and relatives there agree, most want out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭ihateboards


    Please don't on my account. That said I'd probably participate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,946 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Don't what? Is that a Wordle reply? I was meaning you could start one, why not if you want to participate?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It's not a federal crime, it's a felony. Felonies can result in only fines as well even if the max penalty is higher. From what I've read most think that is the most likely outcome here. Even pushing to make it a felony was a reach.

    Regrettably it is the most minor of the cases he is facing, but at least he is finally facing something.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Stanley 1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,284 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    More good news for Pelosi/Haley

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    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,284 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    So Donny is getting his sycophants to not only turn up to get around the gag order by repeating what he tells them to, they must dress the same as the great leader

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    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,771 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    ^^New goon squad uniform. I wonder if we'll be seeing more of 'em dressed like that. Goes well with jackboots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,424 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    The mental gymnastics to discredit Cohen is quite impressive.

    Convicted for lying under oath so he shouldn't be trusted = fair enough, not an unreasonable argument.

    However, these same people are trying to undermine the legal process and the legitimacy of the courts so to suddenly hold up a conviction (when it benefits them, funnily enough) is interesting.

    Then, that same conviction was a result of Cohen lying to protect Trump. To acknowledge that conviction is to acknowledge that Cohen lied for Trump's benefit which, in turn, brings Trump's own innocence into question.

    Now, I know there is no reasoning for these types and any attempt to point it out is met with a neverending list of excuses and exemptions particular to this case but this really should be highlighted and driven home with any undecided voters.

    There is no mask anymore; the MAGA crowd are blatant in what they are doing and anyone voting for Trump in November cannot claim ignorance of the fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 345 ✭✭I told ya


    Can't see DJT doing any prison time.

    A total security headache. All former POTUS get 24/7/365 protection for life.

    So how would that work? Have his own wing?

    I believe Rikers Island is as tough as it gets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,284 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    The whole reason Trump worked with Cohen was because he was a liar. He was Trump's liar. He lied on Trump's behalf, and at Trump's direction.

    There were days of boring testimony by custodians of records, people brought it to attest to data secured by the prosecution. Trump's team refused to acknowledge any of it, so there was a line of folks from telecommunications companies etc giving evidence of texts etc.

    This enabled the prosecution to put Cohen on the stand and at the same time, put the text up behind him, which gave credence to his evidence.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,030 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Personally I think Trump is going to get away with this one, certainly with dodging the federal charge anyway, even if the misdemeanours stick.

    They need to prove that he was part of the conspiracy, that he knew what Cohen was doing and why he was doing it.

    But Cohens testimony is full of instances where he says he told Trump things like "I'll take care of it", "its sorted", "Don't worry about it" etc etc, and most of Trumps recorded responses are basically noncommittal.

    They are trying to build the case that Trump micromanaged everything and must have known everything that was happening, but they don't have the smoking gun and it is a very plausible defence for Trump to say that when Cohen said "I'll take care of it", that he meant take care of legally. That when he signed the check, that it was just the final part of a process that Cohen carried out legally.

    You shouldn't sign checks without knowing what they are for but that isn't the federal crime they are trying to reach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,284 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "They are trying to build the case that Trump micromanaged everything"

    This was verified by his own book, a former PA and Hope Hicks who cried on the stand while confirming Trump's assertion that Cohen paid the money out of the goodness of his heart was bullshit.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,946 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    The governer of Rikers Island has already said they have a suitable, self contained area that could be used and could accommodate his security no problem. It is custom made - I think he said there are more than one 'suites' for this kind of purpose.



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