Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

There was some discussion here recently of the Kippure Estate scandal where a business entity was developing multiple additional units to cater for the accommodation needs of the state. Something like 40 units had been built and another 50 I believe under construction, all done without planning permission. A village it was compared too in the heart of Co.Wicklow, the so called Garden of Ireland, where planning for ordinary folk is very difficult to obtain. This is/was a multi million € business for this company.

I read last night that Wicklow County Council has issued an enforcement notice, requiring the cessation of all development works, the demolition of all buildings above without planning permission and restoration of the site insofar as practical.

All seemingly because two local councillors responded to local concerns, organised a public meeting and pressure put on the local authority to do something. There are of course local elections coming up and the issue was dynamite in that area. Interestingly the councillors who stood up were Gerry O'Neill and John Snell, both Independent. All the other party councillors hid their heads away it seems, certainly declined to criticise these developments in public.

We have been implementing a pro-immigration policy for the past couple of years which has led us to the current situation. I think most here agree that this situation is undesirable and can't continue. Therefore, we need to radically change policies and stop listening to unelected ngo's and quangos.

can you tell us More about this? Where is it etc?

Aine Lawlor on morning Ireland gave Michael McGrath a grilling on the proposed cuts saying they were targeted at the most vulnerable Ukranians and we were shutting the door on them at a time of Russian advances.

It didn't end illegal immigration.

It was one unsuccessful part of an overall solution, which only dealt with about 4k people.

There were further costs for the parts that were effective, the push back schemes and pre-clearance.

Cost on offshoring by my calculations was about 2.8 million per person. Most of the people involved ended up back in Australia, or part of further expense on resettlement programs.

Unfortunately I think they will. Its infuriating.

No, totally incorrect. Most were deported if they cooperated and some are still in detention. None that arrived illegally ever settled in Australia. The cost per person is irrelevant as you are stopping hundreds of thousands just by strict enforcement. It actually works out way cheaper and less disruptive to society than unchecked illegal immigration.

See post #21030 above. As of 10th May Wicklow Co Co have ordered full demolition of the illegal building works at Kippure Estate. It is a huge scandal. Likely the developers will appeal?

A victory for the moment for the ordinary citizens, democracy and local Independent county councillors. Note the party councillors sat on their hands.

Nor did it stop 'hundreds of thousands'. Australia never received very many arrivals by boat and all the evidence points to numbers actually being lowered by the turn back policy. Number of arrivals actually increased after offshore detention was introduced.

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/asylum-boats-statistics/

Hate the telegraph… but it pains me to say that article is not far of the truth as I see it. Bang on the money when he says Government feels its way through policy heavily influenced by powerful NGO’s i’ll add. And before there is a pile on it’s certain NGOs that mainly have skin in the game of Immigration.

And who one suspects are ably represented here on this thread. Asides them, I heard Catherine Day 'interviewed' again this morning. I put that as 'interviewed' as really she was just given airtime by RTE to promote her vision that Ireland will be the future home of the worlds great unwashed. Ms Day says we must build state accommodation so that we can comfortably deal with all arrivals. As for local concerns, well she says just explain the issues to citizens affected and that's that.

Why does one get the impression that Catherine Day is utterly and totally unaffected by the policies she promotes? Does she even live here anymore?

I am practically certain there will be a move to ensure that the development is retained. I bet there will be an overnight law to ensure this or something, if one doesn't exist already. If not, pending an appeal which I am sure there will be, the Gov will give permission for temporary retention to ease the accommodation crisis for IPAs. Betcha.

There is a McMansion in Co. Meath that was built without PP. It is still there over ten years later. Just saying.

What Catherine means is that you tell the local citizens 'shut the **** up and go on your way'. Another person that has way too much airtime. Build build Build is all you hear. Thats there answer to everything .

I don't see your claim verified in that article, that only those who arrived before 2013 were sent offshore.

In fact pre-2013 those sent offshore were allowed resettle in Australia, this is represent by the group labelled 'returned to Australia as part of pre-19 July 2013 cohort' in the graph I shared above.

There's also 1046 people in the above graph, marked 'Total in Australia for a temporary purpose' who arrived post 2013 and are de facto resettled in Australia. They are now living in the mainland, though officially I think until they can be resettled.

After 10 years in the system, I would imagine the likelihood of them ever being moved again to being near 0.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jun/24/australia-to-move-last-refugee-from-offshore-processing-on-nauru-but-its-cruelty-and-cost-is-not-over

The costs of this exercise I estimate at 2.8 million AUD per person, based on figures below. This does not include resettlement aid payments to third countries, for those who did not return to Australia. In one case it emerged that 40 million was spent on a scheme which eventually resettled only 7 people to Cambodia, the cost for this small group then being 8.5 million per person.

All of this for a policy which all available evidence shows had no impact on numbers arriving.

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/operation-sovereign-borders-offshore-detention-statistics/7/

"The great unwashed"

Not that I lose any sleep over it, but I do wonder why people feel the need to talk about migrants in this way. Even on a favourable interpretation, it's just astounding arrogance.

You have done nothing to deserve being born in a wealthy, safe, tolerant country. Nothing. It is no achievement of yours — just pure fortune. Whether they are asylum seekers or economic migrants, a lot of these people have grafted hard, and in many cases taken great risks, to seek out the opportunities in life that in the Western world are simply laid out for us from our earliest days.

Yeah...a lot of them aren't as educated as you, or as trained, or as well financed. A lot of them have never had the opportunities you have had to learn, develop, take nice holidays, acquire skills that let you waltz abroad into nice cushy jobs. Seems poor form to demean them for it.