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NBA 23/24:season

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Timberwolves look pretty awesome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Enjoying Murray and his lucky nonsense getting completely shut down.

    Looking like 4 or 5, which is a massively surprising outcome. Simmons was waxing lyrical on his pod a week ago or so about how Denver were like the 2017 Warriors, undefeatable, just have an aura, etc. Pure nonsense as usual. Minny are just too long, athletic and well coached. And suddenly that’s that. No Denver dynasty, just a great individual season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭Corvo


    Watched Naz Reid eat Jokic alive at times. Fair play to Minnesota.

    If somehow they went on to win it all (and I'm not writing off any side with Jokic in it yet) then god help us all who listen to Bill Simmons, he's already having Edwards down as the next Michael Jordan and pushes it weekly!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,233 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Gobert/Towns were awful last year but really clicked together this year. Reid and Edwards both also had massive leaps forward this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Knicks down by ten at halftime. Brunson got hurt in the first quarter, tried to play on but came out and it doesn't look like he'll be back tonight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    So Brunson came back in the third quarter and we see a 17 point turnaround. He's clearly essential to success for the Knicks.

    Unfortunately for him the missed time means his run of 40+ points games is at an end, he only has 15 through three quarters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Knicks won it by nine. 29 for Brunson after missing nearly a quarter and a half.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,984 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Jokic wins his third MVP, I'm sure it doesn't feel great while down 2-0 though.

    Shaq is a clown for this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭Corvo


    I'm fully on the Knicks train. It's a real buzz.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,087 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    thoughts on timberwolves vs the celtics if it happens. As a celtics fan I would worry a bit to be honest !! they are a very good team



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭BQQ


    Boston don’t really inspire confidence

    if they make the finals, I don’t think they’ll win it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    They were awful last night. Opened up a twelve point lead in the first and were down by six at the end of it. Went up by eight with I think it was four minutes left in the second and were tied at half time. They then just fell apart in the second half.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Cleveland shot 54.7% (47 - 86) including 46.4% from 3 (13 - 28)

    Boston shot 41.3% (33 - 80) including 22.9% from 3 (22.9%)

    Still 6 games max series, probably 5

    While some of the disparity last night (or the game dropped against Miami) is quality of play and tactical deployment, the majority of it is just shooting variance imo. And Boston are due a key series where they get the right side of jump shooting variance, may as well be the finals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Defense was awful in that game. Weird things happening like Jrue stepping outside the circle as the Cavs were taking it in. That created big problems because it gave easy baskets to Cleveland and that then turned into players wide open on the outside as the Celtics tried to prevent the inside shots. This happened at the end of the first quarter when they had a twelve point lead and ended up behind by the end of the quarter,again in.the second when they gave up an eight point lead late in the quarter to go in level at halftime.

    You'd expect that Mazzulla would have addressed that at halftime but obviously not and obviously Bickerstaff told his guys to do exactly that for the rest of the game.

    So while the numbers look like it was a lucky win it was anything but. The Celtics have to address this for tonight or they'll lose again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Pacers and Knicks is a great series, every game has been thoroughly enjoyable. Haliburton was great last night ably assisted by Siakam and Turner. DiVincenzo had a great night for the Knicks,Brunson had a quiet night for him with 'only' 26 points.

    You just never know what's going to happen next.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭py


    The lack of calls in the post season is like a FU from NBA HQ for the sh!tshow of an all star game that was played out. A whole lot of non calls happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Much better from the Celtics tonight, much more like a team effort than a bunch of individuals trying to do their own things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,233 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Here is how the lottery unfolded:
    1. Atlanta Hawks
    2. Washington Wizards
    3. Houston Rockets
    4. San Antonio Spurs
    5. Detroit Pistons
    6. Charlotte Hornets
    7. Portland Trail Blazers
    8. San Antonio Spurs (from Toronto Raptors)
    9. Memphis Grizzlies
    10. Utah Jazz 
    11. Chicago Bulls
    12. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Houston Rockets)
    13. Sacramento Kings
    14. Portland Trail Blazers (from Golden State Warriors)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭BQQ


    spurs could be back to relevancy if they get their picks right to go with Wemby



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Nuggets Wolves 2-2

    Pacers Knicks 2-2



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,369 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    Hilarious that commentators were actually talking about the Nuggets being swept a few days ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭py


    The Knicks looked devoid of options yesterday. With the injuries they have, I am not sure they're going to have a shot of making the rest of the series competitive, nevermind winning it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭BQQ


    Tom Thibodeau strikes again

    Always runs his teams into the ground. He will never learn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Cava have a lot of work on ronight. Mitchell is out, won't play any part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Celtics got it done last night but it was another disjointed performance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,984 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Detroit falling to #5 for the third year in a row, I'd expect them to be right back in the same spot next year.

    I do think the newer lottery odds help discourage full on tanking but it's also causing some teams to just get trapped down the bottom. They've been a bottom 5 team for the past 5 seasons now, their win totals are actually going down! From 19/20 to 23/24 their wins are: 20, 20, 23, 17, 14.

    As a Portland fan falling hurts but I've not been too excited about this draft, and with Chauncey seemingly sticking around I'm sure we'll be back in this same position next year anyway.

    EDIT: It's also now or never for Atlanta, they have options. This season there's been talk of trading Trae Young and now they can either get a package for him and add it to their #1 pick to kickstart a rebuild, trade the pick for a #2 option to Trae, or draft the best player available and hope he and Trae work well together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,984 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    So far it feels like they've just been winning by virtue of having more talent, not necessarily due to playing all that well. It's not exactly a problem as they're winning anyway and I don't think any of the teams remaining in the East are much of a threat to them, but they'll need to kick it up a gear if they make the finals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    If the Pacers make it past the Knicks I think they'll be a serious threat. They are a team, the Celtics are just individuals too often.

    I don't think the Knicks will be a problem because you just put Holiday on Brunson and it makes it very difficult for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    I think you haven't made your peace with this Boston team all season. Marcus Smart and Robert Williams were players you personally liked, and your opinion (as expressed here) was that they didn't need to shake it up.

    From what I can see, Boston just enjoyed a magnificent regular season (probably a top ~15 regular season ever given their net rating, including ratings for lineups when Tatum wasn't on the floor). They are about to advance to the ECF in 10 games, and their two losses involved abnormally proficient shooting days from their opponents. They are going to be strong favourites when the lines open against Indiana.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I was very unhappy about Marcus Smart and I still am. Robert Williams seemed like a great prospect and you are forgetting Brogdon. I didn't like them going but it wasn't that big of a deal. The only one I was really upset about was Marcus because he was excellent on and off the floor and a great leader too.

    Anyway, Jrue has been excellent defensively, Porzingis has been a beast on both ends of the floor. We are without Porzingis now though and they don't look the same without him.

    He's been better than I thought he would but he has an injury history which I talked about and here we are in the playoffs without him.

    They looked a lot better with him in, like a team. Right now it looks like a group of individuals doing their own things. The talent is there to get away with that against poor teams. They would not have beaten the Cavs if Donovan Mitchell was there last night, that's if they played as they did last night. It might have been a case where they went in to the game thinking it was going to be an easy night which led to a poor performance.

    Anyway, a group of individuals will not beat a really good team. I talked about the Pacers before the playoffs, did anybody have a better last 20 games than them? I don't know but they were certainly top five in their finish to the season.

    The Heat last year were a team because of Jimmy Butler and a great coach.

    I'm still not sold on Mazzulla. I don't think he's bad but I'm not sure he's good enough.

    I want to see Tatum win a title so you are wrong to think I'm not aboard the Celtics train. I'm just a person that's able to stand back and look at things without goggles on.

    If we don't do it though I hope it's the start of end of Bradley Stevens. He won't get fired this year no matter what but if we don't do it this year or next then he has to go.

    Finally I'll just say that Smart was the link up guy for the Celtics, he made them a team rather than a group of individuals. If they had just brought in Porzingis and not Holiday I think they'd have had an even better regular season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Fair enough, but I am still struggling to understand what you are seeing really. Boston have had a great regular season, objectively, and they are about to beat two teams they were supposed to beat in 5 games each. I think you’re really squinting to see them as playing badly or as “individuals”. They are doing what needs to be done.

    Moreover, once the Cavs have been dispatched it’s been a good season no matter what happens. If Stevens was okay up till this year I don’t see how another Conference Finals or Finals loss changes that.

    Anyway, all will be revealed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    On Stevens, I said he won't be fired this year but at the end of '25 his position imo would be untenable if they haven't won the Championship by then.

    What I'm seeing is a bunch of extremely talented players who are not in sync with each other. They are winning, and you said it, because individual talent. I don't think that'll work against the Pacers if they face them.

    Porzingis is badly needed for the conference finals I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Brunson had a 28 point first half, Knicks up by 15.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Pacers pulled the lead back to six and looked like they were going to make a game of it but then the Knicks took off and lead by 21 at the end of the third. It's very hard to see a way back for Indiana in this one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,369 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    Nikola Jokic.

    Questioned through 2 games.

    Elite for the last 3.

    Scored or assisted over 70 points - the first to do that with no turnovers in close to 45 years.

    Again, some thought they were getting swept.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,984 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    The gap between Jokic and the league's second best player is growing more and more



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I don't agree with the opinion that the gap is growing.

    Jokic is miles ahead of anybody else but SGA has had a phenomenal season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,369 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    I don't agree that the gap is necessarily growing.

    It's the same as it was after last year's Finals.

    If the gap is growing it's simply because the next best, Giannis, has been injured / fallen off a bit. But SGA and Luka (outside of Luka's post-season so far) are coming.

    A healthy Giannis isn't that far off Jokic. But Jokic is in front, obviously.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    It really wasn't mad to have watched game two and think they might get swept. There was an unusually large gap between games two and three and Malone and his staff deserve credit for using the time wisely. Murray also healed up a bit and it looks like the rest is history.

    But immediately after game two finished, it was fully reasonable to expect a 1 game suspension for Murray and to wonder how Denver as a whole might figure it out. Game 5 looked nothing like game 2. It's like a different series from a different year involving different opponents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,369 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    I hear you on Murray. Him not getting suspended was inexplicable, but also series changing.

    I do also think Denver are still underappreciated by pundits - particularly Jokic. Nobody would've called the series over if we treated him like the top 15 all-time (and could end up top 8 all-time) that he is. A proper superstar is normally expected to figure it out, but many in the US media didn't give him that respect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He's up there in the argument for GOAT the way he is going. Another five or so years at the level he's at now and the argument will be whether it's him or MJ that's the GOAT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    He's now won 3 MVPs in 4. Win it again next year and he'd match LeBron's 2008 - 2013 stretch. I think the idea that he doesn't get enough credit is somewhat overblown at this stage tbh. I also reckon he's comfortably treated as a top 15 player already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭Corvo


    Agreed, he is so utterly dominant and will retire as the greatest big man ever (at a minimum). Shaq must be going crazy :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,369 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    Shaq is already fuming.

    On the night it was confirmed Jokic won this year's MVP, he was broadcasting, and he was not a happy man.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,087 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    the celtics hit 1/25 at the start of the match last night, 1/20 leading up to the game. never have I seen a worse 1/20 shot. I would not have them favorites' against Denver, if that is the final match up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    As I've been saying, they look like a group of individuals and not a team. They need to get more in sync with each other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,416 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    They have literally cruised through the first two rounds in ten games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,087 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    ah I know they have cruised, and just reading this morning they have taken more abuse for a 15 point win, than denver for a 45 point loss !!

    My point is only the betting odds. For a 1/20 (1.05) team, I would not have cared to be backing them with big money. They did not look all that comfortable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,984 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Have to imagine Boston will make it to the Finals with fewer scars than whoever gets out of the West. DEN/MIN going to 7 games and OKC/DAL to a minimum of 6, then two of those have to play each other in what I'd imagine would be a long series too.

    Boston have made the ECF in 10 games and now have nearly a week to rest while the Knicks and Pacers continue to slog it out. They're the only team to not lose 2+ games during the semis.



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