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Ireland - now considered one of most vulnerable countries in the EU (defense wise)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,209 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Nobody will come to the aid of a nation that's unwilling to defend itself first.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance




  • Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭Milominderbender


    Time for you to join up. Be the change you want to see in the world.

    https://ildu.com.ua



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Interesting:

    The Chief of Staff of Óglaigh na hÉireann, Lieutenant General Seán Clancy, has today been elected as the next Chair of the EU Military Committee (EUMC) by the Chiefs of Defence of the 27 EU Member States. The EUMC is the highest military body within the European Council and is composed of the Chiefs of Defence of all the EU member states. It is the forum for military consultation and cooperation in the field of conflict prevention and crisis management.


    This is the first time Ireland will hold the Chairmanship, with Lieutenant General Clancy taking up this full-time appointment in May 2025 and serving for a 3-year term. Lieutenant General Clancy will remain our Chief of Staff until this time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,209 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Why do people always ask this when the answer has been given many times?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭highpitcheric


    To help move from panic, hype and confusion.

    Towards clariry and reality.

    Certain people with agendas related to the immediate issue love a bit of hype.

    By which I mean the military fantasists, military hardware fanbois. They see all of this hype and confusion as an opportunity.

    Some want to leverage it to improve our admittedly lacking defense situation, and others see it as an opportunity to become a u.s. puppet or have some nato related intention.

    By asking who and what exactly are we talking about here we get to call out the bllsht hidden in the confusion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,209 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    The answer is that it matters not who. It could be anyone with a logical or illogical reason. A foreign sponsored coup, UK under different rule (not hard to imagine) Russia during a war even NATO itself to use as a base. As we stand it wouldn't take much to take over this country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭highpitcheric


    Mostly stupid scenarios.

    Foreign sponsored coup? Nonsense.

    UK attacking the EU? Nonsense.

    Nato (composed of EU states) attacking the EU? Nonsense.

    Russia during a war ... ok within the outer realms of possibity at least.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Your attitude is a prime example why this country stumbles from crisis to crisis

    • people ringing alarm bells about banks and lending before 08, nonsense! Then crash
    • People ringing alarm bells about migration, nonsense! Then it becomes biggest issue
    • People ringing alarm bells about state spending, nonsense! And then savage cuts that went deeper than needed because left till last moment
    • People ringing alarm bells about stupid green energy policies, nonsense! Until we endup with highest electricity prices in world
    • people ringing alarm bells about children hospitals, nonsense! Until endup with most expensive hospital in whole world that’s still not complete
    • People ringing alarm bells about housing, nonsense! Bang housing crisis

    I can go on and on, unlike yourself when members or defence forces start ringing alarm bells in a world that’s gone to **** I tend to listen and not be dismissive, if we get defence wrong then all other issues have potential to pale into insignificance



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Because some people are not Irish and have an agenda to downplay the clear and present and ongoing threat from Mordor directed at civilised countries



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,209 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    So true. Head in the sand attitude. It wouldn't cost that much in relative terms and create employment. If there is a major crisis then it's too late to do something about it the time is beforehand. I should also point out that NATO members have fought each other before and may again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    So still no answer to who's going to attack us and why. Maybe they'll land in space crafts and shoot us with ray guns?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Do you think it’s not a states job to provide defence? Whatabout welfare or housing or healthcare or policing??

    There is an awful lot of stuff this state spends money on that some randomer on internet could take issue with, but one really has to wonder why the randomers who cheer on for Russia would particularly take issue with defence



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    I haven't heard anyone cheering on Russia?

    So you are suggesting Russia might invade us okay i'll bite, how?

    Their diesel powered fleet would be seen coming days in advance. They can't even take Odesa a city within touching distance of their fleet but you think they are going to sail an armada of ships off the coast of Cork and just land an invading force. Or maybe their Airforce will fly over the UK without warning and parachute 100k soldiers into Dublin unnoticed?

    The amount of people who overestimate what the orks are capable of in incredible to me even more than 2 years after embarrassing themselves in front of the world with their Ukraine invasion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Ireland must be the only militarlly neutral country in the world where the defense policy is "someone else will help and do all the fighting for us".



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    cut our gold plated social welfare system to the bone.

    The migration crisis will be solved. No longer an attractive country to sponge off.

    The long term Dole spongers will have to get out and work and build houses helping solve the housing crisis.

    The money saved can be redirected to border protection and defence further solving the migrant crisis.

    Cut social welfare and the people won’t come.

    The lazy will have to work.

    More money for defence.

    What are the chances of that happening?

    What are the chances of someone getting elected on such policy goals??

    Probably more than they were 4 or 5 years ago

    A thread about Irish defence on here wouldnt have passed 1 page in length 4 or 5 years ago. Here we are on page 25



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Why save money on one thing to piss it away filling the pockets of those who profit of war and misery

    We are decades away from any potential threat and any money spent on it now is totally pointless

    This and other threads still haven't come up with one viable threat... So unless someone has a hankering for rainy summer and lots of spuds..



  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭highpitcheric


    You can go on? Please do.

    Heres some more.

    People on social media ringing the alarm bell about the impending end of the world. Nonsense.

    People on social media ringing the alarm bell about a flat earth. Nonsense.

    People on social media ringing the alarm bell about young earth and dinosaurs being a lie. Nonsense.

    People on social media ringing the alarm bell about the NWO and crisis actors. Nonsense.

    Just because some nut strides around ringing a bell doesnt make it true.

    That why we have sections like 'Walter Mitty'

    For sht like UK might attack us, or there might be a foreign backed coup. Why not a giant octopus while youre at it.

    I know youre just salty from when I called out your bulloney about closing the embassy.

    But thats whats going to happen when one talks utter tripe, a kind soul like myself is going to radio you to come back into orbit, land your rocket back down here in reality, and dont shoot the messenger.

    Just be glad its me, and not a mocking crowd.

    Ill be around to call out silliness.

    So in the words of Gervais to Pilkington.

    DONT. TALK. SHT.

    .....Play a record.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Ari Gorgeous Peppermint


    Ireland assumes it already has all the benefits that NATO provides. It simply doesn't want to pay the bill. Alot of EU countries were also depending on US to cover the bill. Big change will come if Trump voted in and pulls out of NATO.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,945 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    True. Other thing is this world and our neighbourhood is getting more unpredictible and dangerous. The strong friends we currently believe have our back in every single eventuality/danger might be too busy protecting themselves or their closer allies to cover us 100%. We may end up somewhat down the waiting list on the day the "black swan" ( some currently unlikely act of aggression) flies in + shíts on us!

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭highpitcheric


    The house may burst into flames tomorrow.

    Maybe stay home with a fire extinguisher, and keep watch.

    Black swan and that, innit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,945 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    What is it that riles people up about this topic so much! Anyway, I won't be doing that thanks, same as you won't be binning your smoke/CO alarms (no more batteries!), dropping value of your house insurance as low as possible (bye bye dead money on highly unlikely horrible events we don't want to think about!).



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    he probably doesn’t have house insurance in first place, sure who would want to burn down a house



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,945 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I just read all the stuff up further about the NWO, End of the World, the flat Earth, young Earth and the fake dino bones etc! 🤔

    Unlike that insanity + vapours, natural disasters, pandemics, terrorism and even acts of aggression from hostile nation states do happen in this bad old world and could even, in theory, happen to nice mostly harmless little countries like us on very rare occasions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭highpitcheric




  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭highpitcheric


    Go start a thread about the odds of a foreign sponsored coup occuring here, in the military forum. If you believe in such twaddle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,616 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    about 7550 active military personnel.

    Averaging 290 active military personnel per county.

    We haven’t a single fighter jet, nor plans for any.

    Shortage of personnel as well as key equipment according to the military.

    Their own report….. “Much of our equipment is not modern, military spec or fit for purpose.”

    So never mind Russia… if Luxembourg attacked we’d not have the ability to repel them.


    the capacity of Hill 16 is about 10,000.

    So our active military personnel combined fills about three quarters of hill 16….

    What a time to be alive…😵‍💫 Absolute bonkers kip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,616 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    the British wouldn’t have a choice, they would probably have to.

    British couldn’t afford to have a country 118 kilometres away from them infested with an enemy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    never mind repel, without primary radar won’t see anyone coming



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    that’s the same British deliberately driving immigrants here?



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