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Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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    #36062
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,197 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122135602#Comment_122135602

    I've stated many times that there's enough reports that I believe rapes/sexual assaults happened. However according to Israeli reports it's on a scale that dwarfs what we can confirm. And we have no reason to believe them when they lied about so many other things and have no evidence except for third hand accounts that it occured.

    I will believe any woman that said she was raped. I will believe any medical evidence. I won't believe rumors.


    Edited for typos

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    #36063
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,436 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122134406#Comment_122134406

    Two things can be true simultaneously: what the UN has claimed re: Palestinians, and what the UN has stated re: Hamas's rapes.

    Do you agree? Deflections were attempted to justify Hamas's behavior in my opinion.



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    #36064
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,436 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122134816#Comment_122134816

    Do you deny what the UN has reported about the rapes by Hamas of Israeli hostages? Do you think it didn't happen, or it's o.k. because some twitter rando you quoted says Israel's done worse?



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    #36065
    Field east
    Registered Users Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭Field east


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122103792#Comment_122103792

    I am as confused as ever as to where the truth lies in all the statistics coming out of Gaza from all sources. We have been led to believe that famine is JUST around the NEXT corner so the place must be, therefor full of proverbial walking skeletons. BUT on the BBC last night we saw tremendous jubilation last night in Gaza out celebration the pending and hopefully an actual end to the hostilities . There was a lot of young people /teenagers amongst the crowd- singing, dancing and generally jumping around the place - each one looking healthier than the other.

    The only explaination I have for those starving/near famine is that some are given little food while others are well fed . We are fed , on TV , skeleton looking children -just skin and bone in some cases



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    #36066
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136033#Comment_122136033

    I wouldn't think using TV coverage is a great way to guage if a famine is imminent. The UN World Food Program Head has warned of a famine just last week and I haven't seen any reports questioning their credibility.



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    #36067
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,197 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136033#Comment_122136033

    You do realise that there's areas where people are trapped and cannot leave and those areas have been described as near famine. That means that in those areas people are already far less calories than they need per day. they are slowly starving to death. many are already experiencing severe malnutrition.

    Just google Photo's of Famine in Gaza and you'll find plenty of photographic evidence.

    There's far less food entering Gaza than there was before the war thanks to the Israeli blockade. And there's some areas where that aid can't reach because internally Israel is also blocking trucks or it's just too dangerous. Obviously there's going to be starving people.

    I remember earlier in this thread someone claimed that Hamas were deliberately locking away gazans and starving them. and were then wheeling them out. The mental gymnastics that someone would have to do to reach those conclusions.



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    #36068
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136656#Comment_122136656

    America has funded terrorism when it has suited them, always has done, always will do.

    To claim otherwise is denying some hard facts of history.

    Cuba, Nicaragua, Italy, Lebanon, Syria, Colombia are just some of the countries which have been subject to American funding of acts of terrorism.

    I take my critical analysis from having studied American history up to a master's level, including several modules on foreign policy in the Clinton institute in UCD. I've researched and written on America's foreign policy in the late 19th century,

    I've done a thesis on it's westward expansion, with a particular focus on military cartography and it's strategic importance in meeting it's "manifest destiny."

    So no, I don't take anything from the realms of Russian disinformation.

    America is not a peacekeeper of the world, not has it ever been. Its a keeper of its own interests. If it had not so much investment in Israel and vice versa, they would not be standing for what is happening, but business Trump's humanity with them, and always will.

    My country has not used acts of terrorism thank you very much. A terrorist group from my country has. Go take your ignorance somewhere else. If you have proof of the IRA being state sponsored, go ahead and show it. There's probably some thing, no doubt about it, but for **** sake to try and claim America is not involved in terrorism is the height of someone who swallows the hurrah for the military, we are saving the world us propaganda machine.

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    #36069
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122137421#Comment_122137421

    You've started a thread loaded with accusations of Irish state sponsored terrorism and you have spouted the same here and you think you have the right to ask me to provide the evidence?

    You maybe have a very narrow definition of terrorism in that it is people merely planting bombs on cars, and not the various other ways it has and can be done.

    We could simply talk about use of rendition flights ( hold our hands up, Ireland aided that) and use of torture by us in Cuba.

    There's the whole Iran contra affair too. Funding terrorist rebels in nicuragua while also selling weapons to Iran is a double whammy of terrorist support and funding. To claim that wasn't taking part in terrorism would be quite the leap of faith.

    Why not have a search on the office of the inspector general for some details of American terrorism in colombia. They go into it in some detail.

    I don't know what we want to call internment of Japanese people in America in the 40s. Maybe it's not terroristy enough.

    Beirut bombing in 1985.

    Hell we could probably call the communist witch hunts a form of domestic terrorism too, especially with all of the back channel funding that went to groups like the better America federation who engaged in decades of psychological terror and disinformation back at home.

    There's no gloating. Just clarification. You accused me of swallowing Russian disinformation, making personal attack in doing so.

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    #36070
    Tigerbaby
    Registered Users Posts: 576 ✭✭✭Tigerbaby


    Weepsie,

    If I could thank your post #36210 a thousand times, it wouldnt be enough. Your facts, logic, reason, deduction and 20-20 vision and understanding of the World are to be commended.

    In an unemotive, reasoned manner, you have described Realpolitik applies to America just as it does to others Nations.

    You have described facts. Simply that.

    Its part of the great game of deflection, clutter and noise that "others" will use to try to drown you out.

    Be wary of argueing with idiots. You know the old adage, dont you?

    many thanks,

    Mr. T.



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    #36071
    AvalonEnaid
    Registered Users Posts: 38 ✭AvalonEnaid


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131535#Comment_122131535

    Hamas is a death cult and must be destroyed. Even if by some miracle they destroy the State of Israel and all Jews, they will just find another target.

    While it's dreadful that children are dying, the vast majority of Palestinians support Hamas. There are plenty of videos showing kids training to be Hamas fighters, teachers espousing the cause to destroy Israel and eradicate Jews. Of course not all Palestinians support Hamas, but they are a minority and are irrelevant. The vast majority of Palestinians are complicit in the Oct 7 attacks and should be labelled as combatants while Israel works to destroy Hamas.

    Palestine will need to remain under Israeli occupation for many years to make sure that any Hamas remnants do not try to restart the cause.

    A two state solution will achieve nothing because Palestinians support Hamas; a death cult whose goal is to destroy Israel and eradicate Jews worldwide.



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    #36072
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,330 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122138261#Comment_122138261

    what’s dreadful is the self serving way this post renders innocent victims of genocide “irrelevant” based on a Hasbara talking point, not actual proof, that “most Palestinians support Hamas”

    Israel also teaches / rather, indoctrinates its entire culture to hate Palestinians

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-08-03/ty-article/.premium/from-the-first-grade-to-the-grave-israelis-are-educated-to-dehumanize-palestinians/00000189-b817-d821-afdd-bb37927a0000

    Hell, Israel supports Hamas. Should they be destroyed too by this logic? Give over.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-security-forces-escorted-suitcases-cash-hamas-qatar-report-2023-12?amp

    I’d love to see your proof that most support Hamas and further, this justifies genocide? Genocide is never justified.

    the median age in Gaza is 19, most Gazans weren’t alive or old enough to participate in the last and only “election” where Likud sat back and basically ensured Hamas would take over for them so they’d have more excuses to keep up the ethnic cleansing.



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    #36073
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122138261#Comment_122138261

    So in this one state solution do you want Palestinians to be able to vote in Israeli elections? Cos Israel don't want that. If they don't get the vote then you advocating for an apartheid type scenario.



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    #36074
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122138261#Comment_122138261

    We've done this argument over and over.

    Hamas support was falling, prior to October 7th. That they have not held an election in nearly 20 years and that maybe 75% of the population never voted for them has to be given some serious thought.

    There are schools in Israel doing what you say but on the flip side too, so

    If there is an increase in Support for Hamas since the , it's not because of anything Hamas is doing.

    Israel should vacate all Palestinian land, including every bit of land illegally settled in the preceding 76 years

    This is just another post showing some incredible ignorance of what has actually been happening between Israel and Palestine for 76 years



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    #36075
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,091 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122138261#Comment_122138261

    Whats your opinion of the "settlements" outside Israels borders?



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    #36076
    Gerry T
    Registered Users Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122138261#Comment_122138261

    You make a series of good points, you obviously know the area. Can you tell me why Palestinians and Hamas alive today hate Jews so much. I can't figure it out, do you know what could be the possible reasons ?



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    #36077
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,091 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    In a massive shock, the IDF are nowhere to be found

    "Israeli protesters blocked aid trucks
    destined for Gaza on Monday, throwing food packages onto the road and
    ripping bags of grain open in the occupied West Bank.

    The lorries, which were set upon at the Tarqumiya checkpoint west of
    Hebron, came from Jordan and were headed to the Gaza Strip, where people
    are in desperate need of humanitarian aid."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg300jek94zo



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    #36078
    Markus Antonius
    Registered Users Posts: 2,205 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122138261#Comment_122138261

    Good grief, we can't have anything (even living children) stand in the way of our dear judaism, the most persecuted minority that the history books have ever known... Glad the internet censors anyone talking ill of them. Can't be having that now.

    Here's some of them doing god's work today:

    2024-05-14 21_22_27-Window.png

    All those billions of reparations from Germany/Europe for the last 70 years has bred a humbling and charitable bunch. 👍️



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    #36079
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 8,984 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122138381#Comment_122138381

    I think it's unfair to say that Palestinians hate Jews. I'd say Palestinians hate Hamas much more than they hate Jews



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    #36080
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,348 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122138314#Comment_122138314

    The poster already give their "solution". All Hamas must be "destroyed" and all Palestinians except for an irrelevant minority are Hamas. Ergo almost all Palestinians apart from that irrelevant minority must be destroyed (perhaps the irrelevant minority too?)

    ………… sounds a bit like a "final solution" if you ask me



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    #36081
    Gerry T
    Registered Users Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122140752#Comment_122140752

    There's a touch of sarcasm with my post, interesting to see the reply 🤔



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    #36082
    engineerws
    Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭engineerws


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/gaza-famine-biden-israel-hamas-b2542961.html

    Looks like genocide Joe living up to his name.



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    #36083
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,091 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Benny seems to have received a blow to the head…….

    "Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu insisted there was no
    "humanitarian catastrophe" in Rafah, even as hundreds of thousands fled
    the south Gaza city amid intense fighting."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2024/0515/1449214-gaza-israel-middle-east/



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    #36084
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 8,984 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122143807#Comment_122143807

    The alternative is far worse for the people of Palestine, and generally the world



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    #36085
    engineerws
    Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭engineerws


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122144330#Comment_122144330

    The alternative to genocide aka a ceasefire is worse for the world?



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    #36086
    Furze99
    Registered Users Posts: 10,986 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136033#Comment_122136033

    I think what we can be sure of, is the massive destruction of property and infrastructure by Israeli forces. It's bleak to see whole neighbourhoods in ruins. I suppose the logic is that if these people have nowhere to live then they must leave Gaza. I think that's a war crime but the term has become some vague and flexible these days I'm not sure. All we can do as individuals is to shun Israel produce, people and refuse to have anything to do with the state now and into the long distant future.



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    #36087
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 8,984 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122144346#Comment_122144346

    You think Trump would stop Netanyahu?



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    #36088
    TokTik
    Registered Users Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭TokTik


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122144330#Comment_122144330

    Not getting bombed is far worse than getting bombed?? Maybe in opposite world.



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