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The accelerating fall in Sinn Féin support

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,920 ✭✭✭Augme


    They've always been pro-immigration and supporting refugees. It would be strange to abandon one of their core beliefs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭skallywag


    I would imagine that the embarrassment factor is more in play for the older voter rather than the younger.

    In many cases it will be a very large pill to swallow for a traditional FF / FG voter to swing towards SF, and I would not be surprised at all if quite a few SF votes will be from folk who would not be loud and proud about how they are casting their vote.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭skallywag


    Yes, I am aware of that. It still does not mean that people will be honest to themselves though, even if there is complete anonymity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    That's fair enough then they'll piss off more and more working class people and they'll lose a lot of their base.Immigration has only been an issue in Ireland in the last 3 or 4 years nd so it's only become very obvious to people recently how pro open borders they are so they'll probably keep hemorrhaging voters if they keep it up.

    People voted for them precisely because they were a nationalist party with a working class slant not because of their pro immigration policies.A Lot of their representatives ( I would say the vast majority) are only with Sinn Fein because of the above or are independents in reality who go to Sinn Fein because they pay their campaign costs



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    SF have shot themselves in the foot. People in my community anyway are walking away from them in droves. Independent's will pick up their votes in the general election.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭tom23


    I think they will loose seats myself. Trust they had with working class communities is gone. Mary Lou a busted flush. I wouldn’t trust them on immigration any more than the greens, soc dems and FFG. I don’t consider anything Labour has to say.

    FG just had to be seen as getting ‘tough’ on immigration. Straight away a bounce in the Polls. Blue Hugh will be delighted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    SF rep came to the door the other day. Asked him a few quick fire questions and he was all over the place. Kept trying to suss me out first before he answered.



  • Registered Users Posts: 86,483 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,920 ✭✭✭Augme


    Iimmigration has been an issue in Ireland for at least two decades. In the late 90s and early 2000s there was issues with Nigerians and Polish coming here and push back from sections of.society about that. The Nigerians were here to take our children's prams and leave them at the bus stop becusse they got a brand new everyone time they visited the social welfare office and the Polish were here to take working class jobs and do them at a cheaper rate than the local working class heros who always collected the social welfare anyway.

    The game changer has been the Ukrainian war as the nunebr following that were massive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,477 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    SF not that sort of party. Given how far she's brought them on in the republic from where they were under her predecessor, she'll surely be given a shot at another GE



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I think this is it.

    For some reason, some people thought SF would look to cap immigration, even though they are a left wing socialist party and they were always going to be pro immigration! Its bizarre that some couldnt see that from day 1.

    Of the 3 major parties, SF are the ones that ideologically would be most pro immigration.

    FG (who ideologcially should be the party most in favour of immigration controls) have started to make some stronger moves in terms of immigration control and of course, they have seen a bounce as a result.

    Harris does have a different focus on the subject Vs Varadkar it would appear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Ah the old tropes about Nigerians & Polish (apparently the only migrants from Africa and Eastern Europe at that time) still doing the rounds. Lies then and lies now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭MFPM


    It's difficult to fully understand what's happening with SF and I suspect it's not just one factor.

    Migration has been hyped by the media to be an issue far beyond it's real significance. SF and the 'left' have been targeted specifically by the racist right activists who are exploiting fears in some working class and rural areas. This may be a factor in the drop off of some of SFs vote.

    Another factor is undoubtedly SF's shift on a range of issues, they are so intent on making themselves palatable to big business and corporate Ireland they come across as utterly opportunist.

    They also lack clarity and bravery on issues they tend to flip flop, their message is inconsistent.

    It's far to early to proclaim their demise though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,065 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Mary Lou accused the government of always being "lastminute.com". I couldn't vote for someone who talks like that.

    It of course ignores how often Sinn Fein are themselves "late" in picking up on the zeitgeist.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,383 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Quite funny going through the twitter fest where all the sf bot's are saying the poll is wrong sure look at the one on the referendum.

    Didn't the Irish times one always have their support slightly lower ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    You can't have an extreme neo liberal position on migration etc. Verging on libertarian and expect it to be popular in working class areas just because you call that position solidarity.

    Of course it is going to cost them working class support and the bosses and property barons who love it are never going to vote for them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭Archduke Franz Ferdinand


    they are soft on immigration, not in line with the public mood



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    I wouldn't vote SF but you're onto something here.

    Ireland is an overwhelmingly middle class country, and voters don't want radical policies. Thus SF have to tack to the centre (and they will undoubtedly govern from there - I have little doubt that a SF-led coalition would enact broadly similar policies to the current one).

    The problem from SF is, with the above factor in play, how do they successfully position themselves as a viable alternative without (a) scaring the crap out of middle Ireland and (b), annoying their legacy support base into voting elsewhere? Tricky balancing act.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭downthemiddle




  • Registered Users Posts: 436 ✭✭Coolcormack1979


    I’m from fg background and a farmer and I can tell u one thing,farmers are sick of fg.i want to farm and to be perfectly honest am fed up of handouts or ifa looking for them.

    I met Sean Kelly mep canvassing a couple of weeks ago and left him in no uncertain terms of what I thought of him and fg.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I farm and have a small business, both are reasons why I wouldn't vote FG.

    You would have to be a nut to vote FG or FF and be self employed at this stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 436 ✭✭Coolcormack1979


    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I doubt that, it is just that they aren't as extreme Free market on immigration as Ronald Reagan was and they think a lot of the more radical left ideas for society are completely nuts and destructive.

    The Left is achingly upper middle class now, its no longer a working class movement or listening to the working class, of course it is going to continue to alienate them.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    How far she's brought them.

    A disastrous last local and European elections.

    A general election with a range of candidates which can only be described as from "colourful" to downright dangerous and comical vote management.

    Unbelievably weak on covid (open the pubs but keep the schools closed).

    Constant tales of her failures to adequately deal with ongoing bullying in SF.

    Proven abuse of Dáil privilege.

    Motions of no confidence hilariously backfiring regularly.

    Her foghorn style of diplomacy.

    I wouldn't have her lead a neighbourhood watch never mind a modern European country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭paul71


    So, let me get this straight. You are self employed and you have only left yourself the options of SF, Labour, SD, People before Profit, or The Greens?



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,477 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    In terms of their Dail presence, to previously unimaginable heights. Even six months out from the last GE, the idea that SF would be emerging as effectively joint largest party with FF and FG would have been a pipe dream…



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I'd still say that their policy on immigration and the fact that it wont lead to any real change vs FFG is the major factor amongst SF voters.

    Its just taken SF voters longer to realise this.

    I do agree that they also dont appear to have any costed policies and I cant see any social metric in which they would likley bring about a positive change.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    The army council must be getting nervous with the collapse in support in the 26. Wouldn’t surprise me if Mary Lou is replaced with Matt Carthy. Doherty’s endless shouting, fake outrage and finger pointing is also no longer working.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    It was a revolt vote. Did people understand who or what they voted for? in reality the majority had no idea. It was just vote for SF because they wanted to show FF/FG they could do it.

    If the swing vote decided to vote Independent in the revolt how many seats would Sinn Fein have got?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭Rosahane


    Harks back to their days of getting trained by the PLO and the Russians.



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