Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

This will be fascinating to see how this will be handled in Europe and could be a litmus test for all countries.

There's some really common sense points in that list but what interests me is how will they deport the illegal asylum seekers.

Kaiser, I have to say you're knocking it out of the park this morning. Fair play.

It should be noted that Wilders is probably further to the right than even the Irish 'far right'. He openly describes himself as 'anti Muslim' and has given numerous speeches attacking Islam. He is naturally a strong supporter of Israel too and says he wants to move the Dutch embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

The thing is though — I'm not arguing with you. And your post, well-written and sincere as it is, is a perfect demonstration that there is an almost automatic knee-jerk reaction to take a post which attempts to contextualise poorer migrants in a less demeaning and more understanding light and interpret them as meaning we need to look after them or that migration controls should be lessened.

That's not my argument here — my argument is simply that it's not a necessary component of a pro-controlled migration outlook to vilify or denigrate migrants, or to see ourselves as better than them due to some superiority we have earned and they have not. It's tempting yes, if you want less migrants then portraying them as hopelessly lazy or "the great unwashed" is a handy image to create. But it detracts from, and turns a lot of people away from, the perfectly reasonable and compelling socioeconomic arguments against heavy migration and multiculturalism.

Yes — Ireland has very much fought through hard times. But there are circumstances that have favoured Ireland too, unlike other former imperial colonies. Our people fled to places like America, and had embedded themselves and intermarried into American society just in time for that country's rise to unparalleled global dominance — helping us to establish strong links and investment and an ongoing base for Irish emigration. We have maintained for the most part very friendly and cordial relations with the old imperial overlord, with extensive social and economic links, and again trade and investment. We were in Europe, which gave us the chance to join the new free trade bloc across the continent, helping us to further step out of the UK's shadow and to develop deep trading links with Europe. We have also not found ourselves in the path of any huge disaster, genocide, invasion etc.

That's not to take away from Ireland's achievements since independence, which are hugely impressive (a fact which seems to be lost on many on here who seem to do nothing but tell us how sh*t Ireland is and how much of a joke the country has become) — but some circumstances have very much been in our favour in ways that they have not for other countries.

That is another way of looking at it .

But as I said a few times now before the health service needs these people .

It cannot function without adequate numbers of staff and there is no realistic option to say we will run a reduced service until we have enough numbers of Irish nurses and doctors trained and willing , to stay in the service , as I think you can understand .

Although you would be forgiven for thinking that successive ministers of health have tried cutting back services because of lack of staff . They have simply cut back staff and frozen recruitment every time there is an outcry about how much public services cost .

With the result that people burn out and/ or leave resulting in more problems for the already beleaguered health service . Services suffer as a result , people are not properly cared for and as we see some people die .

" Oh where have our health workers gone ? Only foreign nurses and doctors" .. ad nauseum , rinse and repeat.

If a stable secure workforce is desired , people should be paid properly consideration given to their accomodation and transport especially working shifts in busy city centre hospitals .

No service can survive the extreme fluctuations in staff numbers and services that see in this country EVERY FEW YEARS .

It however is not on topic for this thread as we are not discussing asylum seekers anymore.

So won't reply further to this .

There was a Portuguese tv crew doing a report from the canal campsite today.

All this attention is only advertising the country for more to arrive.

France 24 yesterday aswell.

I think the continental EU will be happy for us to become a dumping ground for surplus AS. Geographically it makes sense and there is green eye over our tax system.

That's before we get to non contributing to NATO defense which I think is wrong in the current climate.

A decision has been taken somewhere and we are truly fucked I fear.

These doctors and engineers need medical cards, can’t be having them getting sick and missing out on paying our pensions and building the FG 250k houses.

Not sure what the capacity at Crooksling is but the govt are in the process of developing 6 state owned sites around the country. I dont know if Crooksling is one of these.

Thats the problem.

Nobody knows because there is no communication from govt.

Harris is saying that an alternative camp site is being worked on now, but again, no details of where, what the capacity is, when it will be ready, when the next camp comes onstream and so forth.

I predict an absolute disaster by mid summer, sadly. 1000 tents in the city centre by then? quite likley if no suitable accom is found before end of July.

only catching up but this is one of the greatest posts I’ve ever read.

Whoever you are more power to you

True..I have it in my head its the same majority of lads reappearing down by the canal

At least Thornton Hall would give some capacity. Its a big site.

Hoe many beds are they expecting it to deliver do we know?

They really need to include wraparound services and move the IPO processing centre out to Thornton hall or similar.

So that asylum seekers dont need to keep trekking back into town for appointments etc and ultimatley camping in the city centre anyway, because its easier.