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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭minimary


    I mean accomodation/housing has been the biggest topic in the country for the last decade, I don't know why he thinks its "bizarre" that people are focusing on it when we're reportedly getting 30k asylum seekers this year (before any reunification) and never deport anyone. Its like adding water to a full bath and then wondering why the people downstairs are complaining about a flood

    TBH its bizarre that it hasn't been a major issue before now.

    Does anyone think that the Government will come to the conclusion we're getting so many more asylum seekers because of how great Ireland is and not what a soft touch our immigration service and myriad NGO's helping scammers stay?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    68% of people between 26 and 34 are living at home. That's completely fucked and they decide to open our borders and make it a free for all unquestioned on top of that.

    Gross incompetence and they have now ruined a whole generation of families, not just one person but siblings who will never have their own homes or live independent lives.

    It's crazy how bad this Goverment has been. We can probably in time say the worst in the history of the state when the full damage appears in the form of ghettos and everything else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 525 ✭✭✭fran38


    Lads,Ive told ye before but ye keep sticking yer heads in the **** sand. The reason the gov arent doing anything about it is coz its a **** plan. Coveney gave it all away by saying "we aim to have an extra million by 2030" yer all stupid ****. Wake the **** up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Ate they really planning on cutting down a 200 year old tree in Clonmel in order to clear the area for a migrant camp?

    Thought tree felling wasn’t allowed between March and August?



  • Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭_Puma_


    The "narrative" has certainly shifted in Europe so the musings from Harris are to be expected. 2 years ago the below suggestion would have you branded a "Nazi".

    The biggest threat we have is how the NGO industry in Dublin will try to "lock in" through high court cases and influence within the ruling parties. It's clear they are losing the room in FF & FG but I see SF going the other way.

    The thing is the NGO playbook is to influence people ie) your parliamentary party(pp) leaders and the people around them. These people can alway be dropped by the parties… and going by approval ratings of our current pp leaders, it's certainly going that way for their careers.

    The age old mantra in Irish politics and Europe was

    "it's all about the economy, stupid"

    This is fast becoming, and rationally so by worldwide events

    "it's all about immigration and security, stupid"

    Our politicians will either adapt or remain Paddy last and have it forced on them

    https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-05-16/fifteen-countries-ask-brussels-to-explore-creating-migrant-centers-outside-the-eu.html#

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭tom23


    every single NGO that has been asked their opinion on or solution they give the same answer - build more

    Have yet to hear any interviewer ask ‘how many do we accept before we say we can’t sustain this’ and the whole lot comes crashing down?

    Why are there so many NGO’s in immigration all been funded with separate CEO no doubt on a wedge, all doing the same job, same message, same demands. Their clientele prioritised. Yer man from Dora’s was so out of touch it’s scary that these people get a platform. No doubt Lucky or Henderson will be next on with the same variation of a message.

    I’ve said here before and some pro immigration seem to think it’s futile (i know it’s a form of been gaslit) but we need to be deporting. Quickly. I don’t care if this costs the taxpayer, but it has to be cheaper than an endless scramble for hotels and fields. And dividing small communities across the country by moving in IPAs and expecting to accept it and get on with it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,724 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    By non national do you mean non Irish? Or are you stripping all immigrants of their nationality?

    Also, why is it okay in your scenario for irish people to go away to other countries for 10 years, but if somebody comes here it's not okay? I know the answer, just curious how you're going to justify it...



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,028 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Irish people who emigrate do so on work visas, they do not abuse the asylum system.

    I don't know if any country would grant asylum to an Irish citizen



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    So if thats their “ plan “ why are they not planning ? Nothing in place , no plan , no preparation , no task force , not even a spreadsheet !
    They pay one lot to give out tents then pay another lot to scoop them and dump them . They flounder about cluelessly while NGO’s with skin in the game seemingly lead this farce

    Where’s the plan ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,664 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Was talked about but it’s still standing today.


    Last night the local protesters small camp was burned out, a marquee the workers in the field are working in was burned out, two security guards cars that were doing the night shift were smashed up and apparently one of the diggers on site was set on fire but no sure on that one.


    Honestly the fact they are trying to put the units in a field beside one of the worst traveller settlements around is absolutely laughable because they will just keep recking the place. It’s only the second day of work and there’s already hassle.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,724 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    So by that logic legal migration is fine, right? And seeking asylum is legal too, so what's the issue?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Hilarious that this nonsense is still being pedalled. Nobody has issues with people coming here to work, just like the Irish did when they went abroad. People have issues with randoms turning up looking for their benefits, and based on what has been seen all over Europe, lots of those that do (the majority statistically) end up never working and costing the host country money. Have a read of the University of Amsterdam study or look at the absolute mess in Sweden as a result. Far right propaganda I'm sure



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Because people are seeking asylum when they are not genuine asylum seekers and are putting pressure on our processing and accommodation systems etc.

    Seen as you’re so interested in the legality of everything I put it to you that it is an offence, illegal, to enter the state without documents. Do you agree in that case that everyone arriving illegally in that fashion should be jailed?



  • Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭ECookie13


    You're honestly talking to a brick wall. These people know there is a major difference, but this ridiculous argument is used consistently regardless even though there is no comparison. They will never admit it though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Coole, Co Westmeath got woken up about 4am this morning by the sound of a large convoy of a crane, 18 large modular homes on Lorrie’s and all the other transport that goes with setting them all up.

    Population is around 200 plus 100 asylum seekers already housed in new apartment complex.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,133 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    This government doesn't do plans.

    Just vacuous announcements.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 54,133 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Would be interesting to know were the locals aware of this happening but either way it's so **** sickening the money spent on this and the urgency we're seeing. Where has this same urgency been for the Irish Tax Payers, to build houses, to fix the broken Health Services etc.

    It's just beyond a joke and I implore posters do not vote for this abysmal government in the local and European elections.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    was that out of the blue or were they expecting that to happen?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    I’m not from anywhere near the area so just heard about it from Twitter. That’s some convoy ^^^^



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,788 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    Has there been any national protests over this? I see plenty of local protests but their not getting much air time. Has there been any combined efforts to protest the Dail on the issue?



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,468 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But the two are not connected. 26 to 34 year olds are not competing with asylum seekers to rent accommodation or to buy their own house. That is the major (domestic) housing crisis you are describing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,788 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    Jesus just looking at the Coole vids on Facebook.

    You have to think that Ireland is being planted. And the govt don't appear to give a single fcuk.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    It is a regular theme on here to criticise asylum policy on the basis that there is a housing crisis and that asylum seekers exacerbate that as well as requiring resources like school places, medical appointments etc. In other words, the arrival of a group of foreign people who take up space and resources in ways that present certain detrimental effects to the native population.

    You can't just evoke that point and obtusely assert that there is absolutely no comparison with Irish migrants in places like Australia (where there is a housing crisis too and Irish migrants are every bit as much a source of housing demand that is also pricing out Australian citizens) — just because Irish migrants aren't asylum seekers or illegal migrants.

    People seem to just lose their minds over that on here. "Yeah but they're legal!" / "They aren't claiming asylum!" / "They work and contribute!" — this is what gets chucked back at you as if you were ever suggesting otherwise. The same negative things argued to be caused or exacerbated by the presence of asylum seekers or illegal migrants in Ireland — well — don't f**king dare point to the fact that by the consistent application of that logoic, Irish migrants can also be said to be part of the cause or to be exacerbating problems faced by natives in the countries hosting Irish migrants.

    I await the "Yeah but they're legal so there's no comparison whatsoever" cop out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,985 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    So we can conclude that you can't have an IPA camp in either the 'leafy suburbs' or beside a traveller halting site. Not tolerated. Interesting to see what these normally opposing ends in society have in common!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    The 'University of Amsterdam' study is very much far-right propaganda, as has been discussed here repeatedly.

    It's self published for a start, and the University of Amsterdam have tried to have their logos removed from the article, having given access to some of their datasets.

    Apart from the authors own website it's only shown up on far-right sights, including one particular nasty eugenics type journal, the founder of which liked to claim the Irish 'race' was less intelligent based on his own discredited research.

    Of course you're free to buy into that type of nasty BS as much as you like, but it's not a good look, especially for someone claiming to have Irish interests at heart.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,437 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Thornton Hall ready in 4 to 6 weeks to accommodate asylum seekers.

    Does anyone know how many people it will be able to accommodate and if wraparound services, including IPA processing services, will be included?



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Instead of building modular homes for the homeless in hotels , women and children etc and freeing up their hotel rooms they choose this route ,.Then they get thick because people complain at the glaring unfairness of this " plan "



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    If governments keep on this trajectory, in 5 years time the entire county will resemble a refugee camp.



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