Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

How will faster processing times help if we will not deport significant numbers? Realistically that will not change.

Also, we should definitely discriminate when it comes to processing IPA claims. That means rejecting IPA claims for people with a violent criminal background. It may also mean rejecting applications from nations where the prevailing culture is anathema to our own. We have a liberal and republican constitution in our country and we should take reasonable steps to safeguard it. Take for example same sex marriage and the right to terminate a pregnancy. Both of which are now rights enshrined in our constitution by the democratic will of the people. There are certainly cultures in the world who would find both of those rights to be complete anathema to them. Why risk our own progress and values for those of others, especially when such values are clearly dear to us. We need to get out of idealistic thinking and get into realistic thinking i.e. the cultures of some tribes / nations / religions are diametrically opposed to ours. And that limiting immigration from these diametrically opposed cultures may be a good idea.

Idealism has taken hold in a big way in our government. Nothing wrong with ideals but they must be applied pragmatically with respect paid to the reality of the situation. We had two idealistic referenda only in the near past that was pushed by government, both of which were soundly rejected by a realist electorate. We're seeing the same happen again in communities all over Ireland. An idealistic government believing that its possible to double the population of rural communities with IPAs and that integration will take care of itself. Again and again this is being resisted by realistic communities who rightly ask questions like, has our personal security been considered here? Our access to public services? Our access to hosuing in our local community? We've a rocky road ahead unless the government has an epiphany .

There's that element to it too. For the IPA process to work, one potential outcome must be that an IPA claim can be considered invalid and the person deported. The system can't work without that.

It's like housing. For a housing system to work, evictions must be possible. In cases such as non-payment of rent / mortgage, damaged caused to property, anti social behavior or crime in a property.

Same with security. To have public security we must punish and deter crime.

We need to wake up a bit that way. Systems only work when non conformance to the system is penalised. It can't work otherwise. What we're doing right now with the IPA process is like playing a game of soccer without any referee. We're trusting the players to abide by the rules without any enforcement. It won't end well unless we change.

I agree, IPAs are not prisoners. But re-read your quote from our constitution 'save in accordance with law'. What laws should we have in place to protect the general population from unvetted immigrants? What is the lesser of two evils here? Detaining IPAs until their background and veracity of IPA claim can be established? Or leaving IPAs who are unvetted out into the public. Also, I didn't specify anything about indefinite detention. It should be of definite duration by way of a speedy IPA processing system. That would go a long way to deterring anyone from destroying their documents in transit.

As for the supreme court decision, that was ill advised. I can't think of a single country I can travel to right now where I could work legally without having my background checked first. I work with a large multinational and travel a bit for work and when outside of the EU I can't even enter a country without a Visa and background check being done first.

What laws should we have in place to protect the general population from unvetted immigrants?

That would be every law, the same protections for everybody from everybody else.

And you can indeed work in every UK or EU country, we all can. I wouldn't have the audacity to call a Supreme Court decision ill advised, they are the experts in interpretation of the constitution.

audacity? A healthy functioning and democratic society is allowed to question authority figures.

Do you think ordinary members of society have the experience and knowledge on the interpretation of the Constitution, that the Judges of the Supreme Court have?

15% of prisoners come from a foreign national background. Further, the IPA could not provide ethnicity data for 22% of committals…. So potentially 37% of the prison population are non-nationals.

The numbers of migrants arriving is ever increasing so I am sure the crime stats involving these male arrivals, of whom we have no idea of their criminal records, mental health history, religious views on LGBT people (many coming from countries where LGBT people would be imprisoned or stoned to death). In Nigeria where a large cohort are from and claiming asylum here: https://www.humandignitytrust.org/country-profile/nigeria/ In the second highest number of migrants country: https://eurasianet.org/anti-gay-violence-goes-unpunished-in-georgia-again

And Somalia https://www.humandignitytrust.org/country-profile/somalia/

How many families with kids would feel safe letting their young children travel to school on busses when a migrant camp for 1000 undocumented migrant males in put in place near where they live?

I’m not denying that. Every country has its shameful events. But I’m sorry, I’m not buying that Ireland has the atrocious reputation that this poster claims

Go back to 1992 and ask someone who's stuck in that year in Ireland, we moved on, so then answer the real question where you have all these migrant males coming from countries where being Gay can get you imprisoned or killed..and while you're there ask them what their religion thinks of the LGBT community?

What does the majority religion in Ireland thinks of being gay?

You may have failed to notice that Ireland has a separation of state and religion now, so ask yourself what does the majority religion in say Somalia, where a large number of immigrants come from think of being Gay?

I don't know why there is boxes in the last post, boards gone nuts today🙄

Ffs, could that not have been up for change in the recent referendum instead of that durable relationships crap

Pretty sure there must be, considering 90% of national schools have a Catholic ethos. Don't know what that has to do with anything though??

Oh right so because of Irish laws we have a tolerance of other religions and customs even in Christian schools.

So try the opposite in Somalia, attend a school as a Catholic/Christian and see how that works out.

In case you're not following the posts here, the original point was about the customs/religions that these migrant males are bringing from their countries to Ireland and which they still practice 5 times per day and their indoctrinated views on LGBT/women.. And see why people are opposed to migrant camps with men from places such as Somalia don't want them in their towns?

You are a disgracefull human being justifying Josef Puska entitlement to sponge off the Irish taxpayer ,the same murderer that laughed at Aisling Murphy's family when he was in the dock .Shame on you !!

Did I say "Muslim?" No.

Did I reference the cultures and customs where the top 3 countries numbers wise come from? Yes.

I was directly speaking about the undocumented migrant males appearing in the country whereby now they have to be accommodated in camps at places like Thornton Hall.

You may not see why people don't want these migrant males getting on the Bus from their encampment, now you have a better idea.

Do keep up instead of trying to steer me into referencing a certain group.

Horrible crimes without doubt, but your numbers seem quite exaggerated.

I see a figure of 74 children identified as the victims from a 2024 independent report.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring

No wiser to my actual original point about the new migrant camps springing up all over the state and why good ordinary Irish citizens don't want them in their towns and villages.

Because our International obligations trump the citizens of this country every time. That's why. Figleaf politics.

I've a theory. I think the govt have this unyielding desire to be loved by the EU and the rest of the world for that matter. They want Ireland to be seen as this wonderful generous place and have this squeaky clean good reputation.

And sure, so what If that means they have to absolutely shyt on the people of this country, its ethos,values, culture and traditions. Don't tell the locals nothing.

The govt don't work for the people it's supposed to serve. Too busy pleasing Brussels now.

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that in terms of the govt reviewing the entitlements of asylum seekers, given the numbers coming in, and no infrastructure/housing for them that these 6 weeks to deal with what is drawing them here is probably the last chance to avoid a humanitarian crisis because we simply can not cope anymore. We are at the end of the road now. It will be destitution and homelessness one way or another for every single asylum seeker that arrives here within a matter of weeks.

That's going to be on our streets extremely visibly. It's going to shock people how bad this will get in my opinion.

We have had 30 years of feckless immigration policy driven mainly by vested interests and "the left".

Reminds me of the quote "everyone has a plan until they are punched in the face". That's us now, getting punched in the face.