Ireland - now considered one of most vulnerable countries in the EU (defense wise)

While I don't think a direct attack by anyone is remotely likely, I do think we should have a properly resourced defence force that can at least put up some resistance in the event of a big crisis. No, we're never going to be able to defend against a much bigger enemy, but my view is that if we expect someone else to come rushing to our defence, we should at least do our part and be somewhat capable of giving an adversary a bloody nose.

If take the fantasy a little further though, in the event of the EU, UK or USA needing to come to our aid, what would the price or quid pro quo be ? We'd probably b1tch and moan about that being too high as well.

I mean, I get that this is all a bit of discussion and banter, but in fantasy land lets say the Russian Northern Fleet was spotted sailing down the north Atlantic towards our western seaboard, and they parked up a few miles off our coast, does anyone think NATO would preemptively launch an unprovoked attack on them when we're not a member ? Personally I doubt it very much.

or maybe they would just fly through open airspace (which they do fairly regularly) and land a few transport planes full of soldiers and equipment in Shannon and Dublin.

You think the second world war didn't have an effect on Ireland

Of course it did

The Ukraine shows you can ramp up quickly

Ireland's in an unreal defesive position as an island in the atlantic

People go on about us relying on other countries for our defense while saying to join NATO

When NATO is the biggest cuckold ever

The whole of Europe, 500 million plus relying on the usa for its security against a shithole country of 120 million

Spending money on tech they are too afraid to use

do you remember the second world war? did you see the ramp up possible when someone actually wants to ramp up

the Ukraine has massively ramped up, I think you are misled, if we are invaded by a country with 80s years of cold war reserves, 10 times our size with 4 times the population we are screwed, unless the lost city of atlantis rises from the atlantic, this aint happening

The Ukraine have managed to hold off Russia. A Russia that was going to waltz across europe in 3 weeks

there is no credible threat, for at least 10 years, probably 100

theres no argument for doing anything right now

There was feck all influence on Russia Invading georgia, chechnyia to etc to the irish Economy, they main reason there is now is because the EU put sanctions in place. Its not an issue because we did a lot of trade with the Ukraine.

they are current affairs, its hardly that suprising

the largest and most popular threads are about twitter and immigants

its kinda hard to see a point

you couldn't answer my original question either

they still ramped up massively

this is a country thats entire military is a result of mother russia and is then attacked by russia

had 10 years from a previous invasion by russia to prepare for this

we have no military for a reason

You ramp up from you previous levels

If you imagine a ramp to like bring you from one level in a car park to the next level in the car park

Do you think that if Ireland was invaded it would ever be in position where it could produce it's own artillery shells etc to sustain a 2 year and ongoing war or be able to stockpile for that

Against a former super power

It now turns out no country can sustain even a regional war in one country

But there would be warning

They thought the Ukraine would last mere days

Those military planners don't know their arse from their elbow

It depends what you mean by military, because they might have a large army in numbers

But that means little without equipment

They would have been maybe 10th in terms of military power

And they have ramped up from those 2022, so not sure what your point is yet again,

They have double the number of military personnel

And in 2022 they were 10 years in from being invaded

If you have one

You haven't made a point

What is it

Are you afraid the Ukraine might invade

We need a very small military

Which we have