Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

from the radio this morning , the number was minimum of 1,800 tents

A counter point would be that probably 99% of men from those communities are not involved in serious criminality. There might have been perhaps 100 British Asian men or less convicted of child grooming offences.

Should we judge the Irish population based on the activities of Dublin's criminal / drugs gangs?

https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2024/0517/1449844-clonmel-modular/

Not really the way to go about it IMO

How will faster processing times help if we will not deport significant numbers? Realistically that will not change.

Also, we should definitely discriminate when it comes to processing IPA claims. That means rejecting IPA claims for people with a violent criminal background. It may also mean rejecting applications from nations where the prevailing culture is anathema to our own. We have a liberal and republican constitution in our country and we should take reasonable steps to safeguard it. Take for example same sex marriage and the right to terminate a pregnancy. Both of which are now rights enshrined in our constitution by the democratic will of the people. There are certainly cultures in the world who would find both of those rights to be complete anathema to them. Why risk our own progress and values for those of others, especially when such values are clearly dear to us. We need to get out of idealistic thinking and get into realistic thinking i.e. the cultures of some tribes / nations / religions are diametrically opposed to ours. And that limiting immigration from these diametrically opposed cultures may be a good idea.

Idealism has taken hold in a big way in our government. Nothing wrong with ideals but they must be applied pragmatically with respect paid to the reality of the situation. We had two idealistic referenda only in the near past that was pushed by government, both of which were soundly rejected by a realist electorate. We're seeing the same happen again in communities all over Ireland. An idealistic government believing that its possible to double the population of rural communities with IPAs and that integration will take care of itself. Again and again this is being resisted by realistic communities who rightly ask questions like, has our personal security been considered here? Our access to public services? Our access to hosuing in our local community? We've a rocky road ahead unless the government has an epiphany .

There's that element to it too. For the IPA process to work, one potential outcome must be that an IPA claim can be considered invalid and the person deported. The system can't work without that.

It's like housing. For a housing system to work, evictions must be possible. In cases such as non-payment of rent / mortgage, damaged caused to property, anti social behavior or crime in a property.

Same with security. To have public security we must punish and deter crime.

We need to wake up a bit that way. Systems only work when non conformance to the system is penalised. It can't work otherwise. What we're doing right now with the IPA process is like playing a game of soccer without any referee. We're trusting the players to abide by the rules without any enforcement. It won't end well unless we change.

I agree, IPAs are not prisoners. But re-read your quote from our constitution 'save in accordance with law'. What laws should we have in place to protect the general population from unvetted immigrants? What is the lesser of two evils here? Detaining IPAs until their background and veracity of IPA claim can be established? Or leaving IPAs who are unvetted out into the public. Also, I didn't specify anything about indefinite detention. It should be of definite duration by way of a speedy IPA processing system. That would go a long way to deterring anyone from destroying their documents in transit.

As for the supreme court decision, that was ill advised. I can't think of a single country I can travel to right now where I could work legally without having my background checked first. I work with a large multinational and travel a bit for work and when outside of the EU I can't even enter a country without a Visa and background check being done first.

What laws should we have in place to protect the general population from unvetted immigrants?

That would be every law, the same protections for everybody from everybody else.

And you can indeed work in every UK or EU country, we all can. I wouldn't have the audacity to call a Supreme Court decision ill advised, they are the experts in interpretation of the constitution.

He was where the work WAS for a short while, after that he worked his lad, that bedded him and his family in for the long run for collect benefit💶💶💶 for make glorious mansion in Romania... Very nice I like Irish peeple

audacity? A healthy functioning and democratic society is allowed to question authority figures.

Do you think ordinary members of society have the experience and knowledge on the interpretation of the Constitution, that the Judges of the Supreme Court have?

15% of prisoners come from a foreign national background. Further, the IPA could not provide ethnicity data for 22% of committals…. So potentially 37% of the prison population are non-nationals.

The numbers of migrants arriving is ever increasing so I am sure the crime stats involving these male arrivals, of whom we have no idea of their criminal records, mental health history, religious views on LGBT people (many coming from countries where LGBT people would be imprisoned or stoned to death). In Nigeria where a large cohort are from and claiming asylum here: https://www.humandignitytrust.org/country-profile/nigeria/ In the second highest number of migrants country: https://eurasianet.org/anti-gay-violence-goes-unpunished-in-georgia-again

And Somalia https://www.humandignitytrust.org/country-profile/somalia/

How many families with kids would feel safe letting their young children travel to school on busses when a migrant camp for 1000 undocumented migrant males in put in place near where they live?

OK this is something that seems to be wrong with discourse.

Both things can be true at once. Some shameful **** has gone on in this country. Never deny that.

I’m not denying that. Every country has its shameful events. But I’m sorry, I’m not buying that Ireland has the atrocious reputation that this poster claims

Go back to 1992 and ask someone who's stuck in that year in Ireland, we moved on, so then answer the real question where you have all these migrant males coming from countries where being Gay can get you imprisoned or killed..and while you're there ask them what their religion thinks of the LGBT community?