Cold Case Review of Sophie Tuscan du Plantier murder to proceed. **Threadbans in OP**

He lied about knowing her yet he wrote nothing in his diary that contains his many ramblings? Why would he lie about knowing her at Alfie's party months before the murder though?

I am asking you. What witnesses?

Not really

I think Alfie said 90% he introduced them then there was more , the French guy etc

Bailey says no

+His alibi sucks

I think @drury.. has run their course, rehashing the same old thread comments and theories, nothing new being brought to the table

I agree with all your points, it's just straight up misogyny, remove the sexual element and the case against Bailey falls apart completely. There was no evidence of sexual intentions, it was all made up. If Sophie was a man, or even and old Irish woman, Bailey would not have even been considered at all based on the evidence.

Same thing happens when it is an immigrant, or black person etc. people make assumptions based on the individual characteristics, instead of just recognising the vast majority of the time it has nothing to do with it.

I'm open to be challenged on any particular point I've raised. I think there has been a lot of interesting developments of late, in particular from @bjsc but also others. People like @drury.. come on rehashing old points with nothing new to say. Some things have come out here that were not previously known or widespread in the public domain, which by itself merits some acknowledgement, celebration I would say in the search for justice.

Most murders are the outcome of some other crime, if that crime is sexual in nature, the murder is sexual. No evidence.

A lust for violence is actually pretty common, if you to any town in Ireland you will see drunk people looking for a fight, every night. Bailey had a violent streak, there is no doubt, but he didn't have a sexual nature to his violence from what I can see. But the murder seen doesn't really point to a lust for violence over and above any other cause imo. Once the perpetrator decided to kill Sophie, what more could they do to other than beat her to a pulp using weapons at hand. It is inherently going to be brutal if you want to make certain she is dead. Strangulation, is the only other option I could see but how would you be certain then either, unless you had killed before. Do people think that they could just offer her the option to go jump off a cliff?

Posters keep talking about sex

I've never mentioned it as a reason for bailey calling to sophie afaik

People become infatuated and obsessed and are not necessarily driven by a desire for sex with the person

Why would he "traipse" anywhere, when he had access to a car? The gate on Sophie's lane was open and pushed right back, strongly suggesting a vehicle. The Guards examined the car (owned by Jules Thomas but used by both her and Mr Bailey) and they didn't find a trace of anything untoward - not a drop of blood, in spite of the brutal and bloody murder committed; It is impossible that the killer didn't have blood on them after inflicting the horrific injuries to their victim.

And Bailey wasn't the only man in the area with a record of domestic violence.

There's also Karl Heinz Wolnar, and the Mystery Cop. And probably others.

and the Mystery Cop

You know the mystery cop/randy Guarda from Bantry is a line of enquiry brought to you by Bailey?

Listen to the West Cork podcast, he talks about getting a letter from an anonymous source saying that there is or was this Guarda in Bantry with a eye for foreign women.

Some kind of lust for violence would be the only motive I could think of for Bailey. He could hardly take out any kind of lust for violence on Jules anymore, he's been in trouble for that one before, and it would have been hard to hide it from the police. Easier to take it out on a woman who is hardly ever in the area anyway and only on a fleeting visit. It's by far more credible that he would hike for one hour after a night out in the pub with a bottle of expensive French wine, knock on Sophie's door, recite poetry demand sex, and kill her out of rejection, as some are suggesting here in this forum.

The name is Karl Heinz Wolney, not Wolnar. He was the German musician who returned to Germany soon after and committed suicide stating that "he did something terrible" - whatever that terrible was, we don't know.

I think there was also a French man ( not Bruno or any of Sophie's friends from back in France) who was of interest to the police at some point. He also seems to have returned to France. Then there was another French man who was apparently a business associate of Daniel and has apparently followed her around during her trip to her cottage? Apparently that's the man the Guards spoke to recently in Paris? Don't know if he could fit into the "hitman theory" but that's a bit to easy to track to Daniel, if it was true? But then what would he have done in Ireland following Sophie? - That is if the statements of Marie Farrell were to be believed at all?

There were also stories about a "peeping tom" as well as a mentally ill man who was known to have stalked women.

I do not know it that exactly. Wolney had some kind of East German background, but may even have fled from East to West in his early years? He and his wife may have come to Ireland in the early 90ies, the marriage ended in divorce, the reasons for the divorce are not known to me.

Apparently Wolney played in a pub which was also visited by Sophy before her murder, either on the evening before the murder or a day or two before? There were no witnesses which could state that Sophy spoke to Wolney in the pub.

The police will probably have interviewed him, but seem to have ruled him out as a suspect later on. Why they ruled him out I don't know. Apparently he had no alibi and lived within some walkable distance from Sophy's cottage.

That's all I know on Wolney. I don't even know if the person to whom Wolney said that he'd done something terrible was interviewed further, the likes of what else did he say?

I would assume this, take your pick that. "informed" by my own opinion.

You sound like a West Cork Garda

• Ian Bailey, between 0% and 100%
• Bantry garda, between 0% and 100%
• Local garda, between 0% and 100%
• Karl Wolney, between 0% and 100%
• Local peeping tom, between 0% and 100%
• Local stalker, between 0% and 100%
• Kealfadda 'local', between 0% and 100%
• Drugs related, between 0% and 100%
• Land related, between 0% and 100%
• Frenchman in Galway travel agency, between 0% and 100%
• Frenchman in restaurant, between 0% and 100%
• Related to the two frenchmen in hiding from criminal gang, between 0% and 100%
• Driver of the speeding ford, between 0% and 100%
• Josephine Hellen, between 0% and 100%
• Finbarr Hellen, between 0% and 100%
• John Hellen, between 0% and 100%
• Marie Farrell, between 0% and 100%
• Marie Farrell's unknown companion, between 0% and 100%
• Chris Farrell, between 0% and 100%
• Alfie Lyons, between 0% and 100%
• Shirley Lyons, between 0% and 100%
• Leo Bolger, between 0% and 100%
• Person whose DNA is on Sophie's shoe, between 0% and 100%
• Person(s) unknown, between 0% and 100%

I could probably keep on for another while if I tried hard. I believe the original garda investigation had a list of over 50 people and even that might not have contained the murderer. Without evidence there's nothing to support any one above another or indeed any other person or motive.