Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Until relatively recently, Irish society was quite 'rapey', it went on behind closed doors, in family homes.

How we'll deal with that in Ireland is already pretty predictable.

First it'll be something like "NO ANECDOTES" on places where people might sound the alarm. Then it'll be some pretty authoritarian Hate Crime laws just to keep people nice and quiet.

I'm sure Irelands once very vocal feminists will be suspiciously unwilling to talk about Rape Culture anymore. Unless that talk is focused on the past or maybe the huge and urgent issue of men making jokes in private locker rooms.

The only option for normal people will be to just sit tight and hope that they and their families will not be among the unlucky victims.

So by your logic, you would have dismissed worries about Irish immigrant priests moving to the US as xenophobia also?

Before the thread is inevitably locked, what do people genuinely see at the end of this particular tunnel?

If we continue to bring in people at a rate greater than we can provide accommodation then the number on the streets will grow and grow. When does that become an unmanageable number?

If Ireland really isn't full then how long can we keep adding new people into our society at this same rate, or greater? They all need homes and social welfare and access to healthcare and public transport and so on. Are we currently scaling these services to keep up with demand and planning for future demand?

My thinking honestly is a bit pessimistic. I don't think the influx will really stop until the situation in Ireland is so bad that nobody would want to come here. Maybe that takes 10 or 20 years but if we keep going like this we will get there.

Cant help but feel that we are laying the foundations of an absolutely enormous humanitarian disaster to happen in the future.

in everything our governments do, no matter the make up of the parties, its always reactive, never proactive. Until that mindset changes we will never be on top of anything.

I like you, am pessimistic about our future. Our country has changed and not for the better. I believe we are heading for worrying times, and are being lead by idiots who have no concept of the future mess they are creating.

I never claimed you hated foreigners. The vast majority of Irish people don't hate foreigners, hence the reason there is strong support for parties who also don't hate foreigners. Those parties include government parties and also opposition parties. I think simply want a government who will enforce our current immigration laws. For reason unknown, the current government haven't made any effort to do that until very recently. If the change that approach, I think majority of people will be happy with that.

There's simply not much support or demand for anti-foreigner parties. They'll be doing very well to get one seat in each constituency.

Please list your evidence of this otherwise it's anecdotal. You seem to be inferring that all of this stems from the catholic church.

Honestly the way the Gov have handled everything recently I think its rolling downhill so fast that whatever happens they wont be ready to react. Ireland is full to a point that if we cant get our own people housed first including those who are not on any social list but living with parents etc then the more AS they take in the more angrier people are going to become & I do feel there will be a major incident involving AS & Irish people

Victim shaming?

The eventual result is a civil war of some sort, in the distant future.

you can add in a tax payer ratio of 5-1 going to 2-1 in about 20 years something which has been well known in department of finance for over a decade but nothing tangible is being done except to erode the OAP provisions for the people daft enough to be paying social insurance at the moment

Ah will you stop. 😂

The idea for Clonmel was to apparently build 80 modular houses with no planning permission required, allowing 320 Ukrainians to move from hotels allowing asylum seekers to move into those hotels from the streets.

Then when the hotels fill up and the canals fill up with tents again we’ll get more modular homes (250k a unit) and repeat the exercise?

I feel sorry for sorry for anyone in the tourist industry looking forward to making a living this summer.I’ve had lots of election material in the door (south Dublin) but only callers were independent candidates

I just read the Irish Independent cover to cover and aside from a tiny article on the annual cost to maintain Thornton Hall, there is no mention of asylum seekers.

Are the media being told to put a lid on this? Nothing about the number of people in tents on the canals, nothing about the trucks rolling into Coole yesterday. All very hush hush.

This though is analogous to the climate change debate, that we must tackle our carbon emissions at local level to save the planet. When we all know full well that Ireland is diddly squat in terms of the overall problem. So whilst we are morally obliged to do our bit as individual citizens, really we should be focused on climate change mitigating measures. Investing in how to deal with the changes rather than naively thinking we can solve them.

Likewise with the growth of migration around the world, we can't hope to solve the world's ills. We can and should support self help and development in countries under pressure, according to our resources. But as far as Ireland itself is concerned we need immigration mitigation measures. Control the inflow, manage what does arrive and deport. We'll be no good to anyone if we beggar the country and wreck our own culture and society.